The Marvel Symphonic Universe

Interesting! Grats.
 
Rocky

Jeff Evans
But you know all you need to take from the temp track is the texture itself and not the music in any way.  The composer needs to challenge the director.  I have done that a few times and got my way.  There is nothing wrong with copying the textural setup of a temp track.  It can save you time.  The trick is to create totally different but better music that fits the scene and is more bold in nature using the same texture.  It is also better to work to a well cut scene not the other way around either. eg cutting vision to temp tracks.  That just looks cheesy.
 

I think it's not that simple. Sure you need to give an alternative, but I've walked into meetings with directors who state flat out that they love the temp score and will not have anything else...
 
I would not blame everything on the composer, the director has to take ultimate responsibility for things. He/she is the captain of the ship and needs to be the one with the final vision. But a good director will understand the need for dialogue just as a composer needs to understand why something was put somewhere.
 
As for temp scores... They're not that new of a phenomena: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtRU8cMp0Nk
 
The big problem is that the big studios play everything way too safe and end up with watered down versions of everything.
 
PS. about the original video. I usually enjoy Every Frame A Painting videos, but this one I think is slightly badly handled. You take main themes from big established pop culture saga's and compare them against insignificant parts of a younger saga. Why not then choose the bits from the Marvel sagas that try to have themes (they do try)? Sure the Williams themes are more prominent than the Marvel ones, but I think here the makers have made an unfair choices.
 
Also I think they keep forgetting that repetition is a big part of how we humans work. I bet that if you show someone who has had no contact with neither Star Wars universe nor the Marvel universe one movie from each once and then ask about the music, they will not remember much. A lot of the John Williams music has been on repetition for years and years. We tend to start liking new music when we are familiar with it.
 
Last note, I don't really think that the Marvel universe offers much to us musically, I'm just saying that the Every Frame A Painting video is a off the mark.

I could not think of anything better than hearing your own music as a temp track! All you have to do is develop the idea and make it a little bigger or better maybe!
 
Replicating very closely other composers temp tracks is just not as much fun as coming up with an idea that is just as good but different.
 
I enjoyed some of the Marvel underscores too. I think it was too easy to just remove them in that example. They still added a feeling to the scene and then you know on one level it is working very well. There is a lot of interesting things also going on another level in the more underscore driven mode we are in today too. Maybe some are not hearing that.
 
 
 

Oh and everytime you play a game of lets change the music in this one, as Every Frame A Painting did with the Marvel scenes, I'll have to put this example up. I present the Auralnauts playing to great comedy value: Star Wars Minus Williams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-GZJhfBmI
 

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I like this explanation best.  Temp tracks are apparently not the reason for Marvel's music.
 
It's all Hans Zimmer's fault.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcXsH88XlKM

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