[Resolved] The Whereabouts of StudioVerb 2...

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June 03, 15 4:57 PM (permalink)

[Resolved] The Whereabouts of StudioVerb 2...

If you look under "Reverbs" on the SONAR X2 included plug-ins list, you will find "DSP-FX Studioverb (32-bit Only)" as well as "StudioVerb 2" both listed.
 
Now, I already know that the 32-bit DSP-FX plug-ins will only work in 64-bit SONAR with a VST wrapper and so on, so I didn't bother installing them...
 
But I'm puzzled as to why StudioVerb 2 does not appear in my plug-in manager (nor in search results for "studioverb" on my entire hard drive), when it appears to have no note of "32-bit Only" on the included plug-ins list, and especially when effects like, say, Tempo Delay or Para-Q (which, at least in appearance, look to be from the same family of effects) ARE on my system. What's more, when looking back through the X2 installer, I can find no option for installing StudioVerb 2 at all!...
 
So where is this effect? Was it accidentally left out of the X2 installer? Is it right under my nose and I'm just missing it?
 
Any answers to this little mystery would be much appreciated!
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    Re: The Whereabouts of StudioVerb 2... June 03, 15 5:08 PM (permalink)
    BY default the 32bit DirectX plug-ins are not installed when installing 64bit SONAR. To install the 32bit DirectX plug-ins requires running an advanced install and selecting the plug-ins.
     
    The half-rack effects like "Tempo Delay" and "Para Q" don't look like the DSP-FX plug-in series to me. The half-rack effects were inherited from Project 5 and ported to 64bit. IIRC, the DSP plug-ins are older. I am not sure who wrote either series but my guess is the Project 5 plug-ins were written in-house.
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    Re: The Whereabouts of StudioVerb 2... June 03, 15 5:38 PM (permalink)
    Scook: Take a look at the second and third links in my original post. "DSP-FX Studioverb" and "StudioVerb 2" are two distinct effects, the latter being the one I compared to "Tempo Delay" and "Para-Q".
     
    While "DSP-FX Studioverb (32-bit only)" appears in the advanced install, "StudioVerb 2" does not (at least not in mine). As a side note, all of the other rack style effects that look to be from the same family (AliasFactor, Classic Phaser, Stereo Compressor/Gate, HF Exciter, Mod Filter, Chorus/Flanger, Para-Q, and Tempo Delay) appear in the advanced install plug-in list; only StudioVerb 2 (or "StudioVerb II" as it appears on the VST) is missing.
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    Re: The Whereabouts of StudioVerb 2... June 03, 15 6:00 PM (permalink)
    PS: I even checked in the 32-bit advanced install, and it's not there either.
     
    From what I could gather through past forum posts, my best guess is that either it is the only one of that group of effects that never got ported to 64-bit, or that someone accidentally left it out (perhaps believing it was the same thing as DSP-FX Studioverb) of the X2 and (I just checked) X1 installers.
     
    Otherwise, I'm stumped...
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    Re: The Whereabouts of StudioVerb 2... June 03, 15 6:13 PM (permalink)
    Sorry, read too fast. I just ran the X2 installer up to the "Select Components" screen to see what is not part of the basic 64bit installation. In addition to the ones marked (32bit Only), here are the other plug-ins not installed:
    • CW-Reverb (Mono)
    • CW-Delay (Mono)
    • CW-EQ (Mono)
    • FX1 Dynamics Processor
    • Parametric EQ (this is different from the Para-Q).
    • SpectraFX
    • Stereo Reverb
    I do not know why they are not part of the basic install but they have not been at least since X1, the oldest version I have on my PC. I was under the impression the plug-ins not installed would not run in 64bit SONAR. If you want them you will need to run an advanced install.
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    Re: The Whereabouts of StudioVerb 2... June 03, 15 6:23 PM (permalink)
    I'm just wondering where this plug-in is, and why there is no option to install it anywhere in the X1 or X2 installers, 32- or 64-bit.
     

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    Re: The Whereabouts of StudioVerb 2... June 03, 15 6:30 PM (permalink)
    I don't know. Might be something to ask Cakewalk Customer Service.
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    Re: The Whereabouts of StudioVerb 2... June 03, 15 7:38 PM (permalink)
    IIRC StudioVerb 2 is a 32-bit only DX effect. It can't be used in 64-bit Sonar, because there is nothing for DX to link 32-bit plugins with a 64-bit application like BitBridge is doing for VST. No idea why it should be missing in the installer, I know I had it installed some time ago.
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    Re: The Whereabouts of StudioVerb 2... June 03, 15 8:08 PM (permalink)
    Ralf: Make sure you're not confusing this (what I'm asking about, which has no note about being 32-bit only) with this (which, as you describe, is indeed a 32-bit only DX effect).
     
    But to the larger point, this isn't even a "How can I run StudioVerb 2 on 64-bit SONAR" question, it's a "Where the heck IS StudioVerb 2" question...
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    Re: The Whereabouts of StudioVerb 2... June 03, 15 8:40 PM (permalink)
    Yes, I mean StudioVerb 2 (can't remember the other StudioVerb). I'm pretty sure I lost it when switching from 32-bit Sonar to 64-bit. But this was years ago ...
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    Re: The Whereabouts of StudioVerb 2... June 04, 15 2:06 AM (permalink)
    It was here on my old XP drive:
     
    D:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Plugins\StudioVerb2.dll

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    Re: The Whereabouts of StudioVerb 2... June 04, 15 7:50 PM (permalink)
    Well, I've figured it out... sort of...
     
    It turns out that the plug is in the advanced installs for X2, X1, and 8.5 (the oldest version I have), under the very descriptive name "Reverb"
     
    But here's the thing... even if you select the option to install it during a 64-bit install, the corresponding files will not be installed. They will only be put on the system if you do a completely 32-bit installation.
     
    But even then, running a 32-bit installation of X2 with the "Reverb" option checked did not install the necessary 'studioverb2.dll' file. It only installed the StudioVerb 2 help and 'DShowProxy.dll' files. I had to go back to X1's installer to get 'studioverb2.dll' in there.
     
    Well step one was simply finding the plug. Step two was seeing if it would function. Left as it was installed, after a VST reset/scan, it wouldn't even appear in X3. Long story short, the closest I came to getting it to work was by using DXShell to convert the plug into a VST, placing the resultant .dll into a Cakewalk-scanned folder, with another reset/scan. That got StudioVerb 2 to appear in SONAR, and look as if it was going to work, only for me to be met with this error message: "This Plugin is only licensed to be used in Cakewalk Project 5. An unrestricted version can be purchased from www.dspfx.com"
     
    And with that, after trying every possible solution I could find, I've finally taken the hint -- this plugin just isn't going to work in 64-bit SONAR.
     
    I just find it strange that this particular effect was not modified to work in 64-bit, when all of its sister-plugs (AliasFactor, Tempo Delay, etc.) were. Was the effect just not that popular? Did someone simply miss it in development? I'm very curious. (If any Bakers happen to float by this thread who may be in-the-know, please chime in!)
     
    But whatever the case, that means that this list that I originally cited is arguably erroneous, in that there should be a "(32-bit Only)" note beside "StudioVerb 2", instead of the indirect implication that it is 64-bit compatible. The same goes for the "Reverb" listing in the installers, but I know that those are all said and done.
     
    So if anyone else is wondering if they can get StudioVerb 2 to work in 64-bit SONAR, my exhaustive advice would be this: spare yourself the time and trouble, and focus on enjoying all of the plugins that do work.
     
     
    Side note: During my hunt for StudioVerb 2, I noticed a few other entries on the aforementioned list that truly seem to be nowhere to be found, either in installation or within the program: "Chorus", "Delay", and "Flanger". Interestingly, their CFX mono counterparts are present.
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    Re: The Whereabouts of StudioVerb 2... June 05, 15 9:57 AM (permalink)
    If I remember right the half-rack units were originally in P5 as said above.  They were based on the DXI but VST and got introduced into SONAR even before P5 died (this is all hazy since it has been a few years).  I've still got them on my computer, but that has X1 and later on it.  Plus some older Cake effects I originally loaded.
     
    I wonder if I can find the disks if I do a clean install to Win10?
     
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    Re: The Whereabouts of StudioVerb 2... September 17, 16 5:38 AM (permalink)
    I know this is a year old but...
     
    On my 64 bit Windows 7 system Studioverb2 works fine in 32 bit Sonar but will not work at all in 64 bit. Same with my new 64 bit Windows 10 system.
     
    Sonar Platinum does not even have Studioverb2 so of course it will not be installed. To get it I had to do a FULL install of X1 (X2 or 3 will also work).
     
    At first I tried to install it by running the 32 bit X1 install and selecting only the FX I wanted with no program files (I did not want X1 on this system). Some of them installed but Studioverb would not. Before giving up I did a full install and it showed up... and it works in 32 bit Platinum too.
     
    This is why I keep both 32 & 64 versions installed. Those tracks that need Studioverb (or any other 64 bit banned plugin) can be opened in 32 bit Sonar, processed, frozen, and exported back into 64 bit Sonar.
    post edited by soens - September 17, 16 6:08 AM
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