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2016/09/22 12:00:29 (permalink)

1607 anniversary update

once more the 1607 anniversary update ...
 
finally the word is out on how long you can defer it - and it's only 4 months until M$ forces it upon you, and half of the time is up already.
 
now, are there still issues with 1607 as regards DAWs? what is to be aware of?
 
I have heard numerous reports that moded win 8.1 had to be reinstalled to get devices working again ... anything else?

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/22 12:44:52 (permalink)
Using the Anniversary Update and Splat with no issues here!

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/22 12:56:46 (permalink)
No issues for me either.
 
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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/22 14:35:46 (permalink)
Same. No issues
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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/22 16:22:20 (permalink)
It's fine here too...

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/22 16:34:30 (permalink)
Mine was installed last night. I think I have just about tested everything and seems to be fine. 37gb in the old windows folder is clogging up my C drive though, that will have to before long, but I want to keep the possibility to roll back for a while.

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/22 17:03:56 (permalink)
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once more the 1607 anniversary update ...
 
finally the word is out on how long you can defer it - and it's only 4 months until M$ forces it upon you, and half of the time is up already.
 
now, are there still issues with 1607 as regards DAWs? what is to be aware of?
 
I have heard numerous reports that moded win 8.1 had to be reinstalled to get devices working again ... anything else?




Obviously, it works for many people.  But others have issues.  MS has finally admitted that the W10 AU won't be done until November. 
http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-anniversary-update-rollout-may-not-be-done-until-early-november/?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/52l4hv/windows_10_anniversary_update_rollout_may_not_be/
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3120737/microsoft-windows/whats-been-fixed-and-whats-still-broken-in-windows-10.html
 
So I am going to wait until MS has it fully baked.  There is no pressing need to install it.
 
If you have Windows 10 Pro, you can extend the feature upgrade deferral out to 8 months using gpedit.msc as follows:
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3005569/microsoft-windows/how-to-defer-upgrades-and-updates-in-windows-10-pro.html
post edited by abacab - 2016/09/22 17:36:09

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/23 02:19:01 (permalink)
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So I am going to wait until MS has it fully baked.  There is no pressing need to install it.
 
If you have Windows 10 Pro, you can extend the feature upgrade deferral out to 8 months using gpedit.msc as follows:
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3005569/microsoft-windows/how-to-defer-upgrades-and-updates-in-windows-10-pro.html




Thanks for that link. I will definitely defer until a time when I have a couple of days to check everything and fix whatever gets broken ...
 
BTW, allowed 1607 to be installed on an office PC yesterday. still installing, 17 hours after completing download, 91% and progress slowing ... so it might be November anyway until 1607 is here

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/23 04:16:25 (permalink)
Mine went through yesterday. Took less than an hour and went smoothly. So far nothing to report but a few graphical changes. BTW they didn't ask, they just did it when I powered on.
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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/23 08:03:38 (permalink)
after 22 hours and the last 8 @ 91% I pulled the plug. now it is trying to restore itself, then the 1607 game will start again - really glad this is an office PC and not any of my DAWs

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/23 08:15:38 (permalink)
Something very wrong there! I don't think mine took more than half an hour, probably less but I wasn't timing it.

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/23 08:31:44 (permalink)
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after 22 hours and the last 8 @ 91% I pulled the plug. now it is trying to restore itself, then the 1607 game will start again - really glad this is an office PC and not any of my DAWs




Similar experience here, except it wouldn't restore itself, just hung with those $%&££" revolving dots..
 
Did restore point and still hung..
 
After several hours trying, managed to get it to revert to a previous version of windows.
 
An entire days work lost (not data, but I was able to do any work, and am insanely busy at the moment - teaching 6 days a week, as well as writing, gigging, studio work, etc.), and very stressful.
 
This all started at 8 a.m., and didn't get it running again until 2 a.m. - with one break for 4 hours of lessons.  Also wife not speaking to me now, as was a little bit angry.  So not all bad, I suppose.
 
I am seriously considering Macs, but realise that they are not perfect either, just thoroughly fed up with Microsoft..

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/23 10:25:46 (permalink)
Sometimes it's cool to be first in line, like with a new version of Sonar.  If you don't like it, you can easily roll back.
 
But being last in line with Microsoft might be OK now.  Microsoft has apparently adopted a new strategy about forcing these one size fits all upgrades onto all Windows users.  The problem is that they cannot test all possible PC configurations for full compatibility before release.  So it's become a crapshoot, and almost a universal beta test upon each new release.
 
I like Windows 10.  Except for the fact that they have removed, or have at least made more difficult, the option to pick and choose updates and upgrades.
 
If left in the default mode, W10 will check and download updates in the background.  Then when you reboot, it will attempt to apply them.   The W10 Pro version allows for more control over this behavior.
 
The easiest way to defer the downloading of updates that works for any version of W10 is for those using a WiFi connection only. 
 
If you set it to "Metered Connection" in settings, Windows will not download anything without approval, so it cannot automatically install updates until downloaded.  This option can be found in "Settings> Network & Internet> Wi-Fi > Advanced options.
 
I like having the option to update or upgrade when I am ready.  I hate surprises, especially with half-baked fixes, LOL.

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/23 11:46:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby glennstanton 2016/09/25 11:47:58
Rob[atSound-Rehab]
once more the 1607 anniversary update ...
 
finally the word is out on how long you can defer it - and it's only 4 months until M$ forces it upon you, and half of the time is up already.
 
now, are there still issues with 1607 as regards DAWs? what is to be aware of?
 
I have heard numerous reports that moded win 8.1 had to be reinstalled to get devices working again ... anything else?




take control . . . they can't force it on you, and you can 'defer' it for as long as you want. i shut down the updates on all my pc's at 1511 or whatever it was, the one before the original anniversary update, and it only takes a couple of mouse clicks, no registry hacking or other voodoo involved, and it works on home versions as well as pro etc.
 
right click start button - control panel - administrative tools - services - scroll down to windows update - right click and disable, you will not hear from windows update again until if and when you choose.
 
i know this may not be acceptable to those who think you need to keep windows up to date constantly, and a lot of posts in reply to problems here tell the op to ensure windows is completely up to date in an almost automatic knee jerk type of response, but i have never bothered with doing that under any windows version, mostly updating until a some random landmark, a major service pack update or something, eg sp3 for xp, sp1 for windows 7, and then not letting windows update again, been doing this since windows 95 and have never had any issues, have never had a problem which required keeping windows update current, or was solved by a windows update, so i definitely do not agree with the need to keep windows up to date . . . however your mileage may very, but that is my experience and i'm not changing anytime soon unless i find otherwise, but thus far it is not necessary. 
 
that's my experience, and as i said ymmv, whatever works for the individual is the right way, whichever way that may be.
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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/23 11:57:18 (permalink)
I have had no issues apart from Windows re-enabling my on-board sound card. Had to go back into device manager to disable them again. I have had it for a while

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/23 12:05:27 (permalink)
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after 22 hours and the last 8 @ 91% I pulled the plug. now it is trying to restore itself, then the 1607 game will start again - really glad this is an office PC and not any of my DAWs


It took me three times to get through the 1607 update. The first time, it made it a login point (black screen, spinning tiddler), and locked up. A power cycle caused a reversion to 1511. The second time, it got much further, but I had a bunch of weird errors and reverted. The third time, it seemed to hang at a login point again, but a power cycle caused it to complete. I had to reauthorize Addictive Drums and Keys, and reinstall the iLok Manager (I use PC authorizations only; no dongle), and install the latest nVidia drivers, but not much else. I also had to re-disable the internal soundcard and reset the iLok (PACE) service to Delayed Start. Oh, and I had to undo all of MS's forced default application resets.
 
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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/23 12:29:40 (permalink)
From what I hear, the 1607 update is more than a service pack type of update.  It actually runs a full upgrade of Windows under the hood, so some settings could be changed. YMMV.

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/23 12:44:52 (permalink)
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take control . . . they can't force it on you, and you can 'defer' it for as long as you want. i shut down the updates on all my pc's at 1511 or whatever it was, the one before the original anniversary update, and it only takes a couple of mouse clicks, no registry hacking or other voodoo involved, and it works on home versions as well as pro etc.
 
right click start button - control panel - administrative tools - services - scroll down to windows update - right click and disable, you will not hear from windows update again until if and when you choose.
 
i know this may not be acceptable to those who think you need to keep windows up to date constantly, and a lot of posts in reply to problems here tell the op to ensure windows is completely up to date in an almost automatic knee jerk type of response, but i have never bothered with doing that under any windows version, mostly updating until a some random landmark, a major service pack update or something, eg sp3 for xp, sp1 for windows 7, and then not letting windows update again, been doing this since windows 95 and have never had any issues, have never had a problem which required keeping windows update current, or was solved by a windows update, so i definitely do not agree with the need to keep windows up to date . . . however your mileage may very, but that is my experience and i'm not changing anytime soon unless i find otherwise, but thus far it is not necessary. 
 
that's my experience, and as i said ymmv, whatever works for the individual is the right way, whichever way that may be.




You make a very good point, that should work. 
 
But I will add that if you never install security updates, it's recommended to stay disconnected from the net. Download any offline installers needed and scan any new files on another PC before loading them onto your DAW.
 
Another thing to consider now, is the development life-cycle for Sonar Platinum.  It seems that is very tightly wrapped with Windows API's & programming libraries.  With the rolling updates to Sonar, I would imagine that mainstream product testing would focus priority on the current version of Windows at the time of development.  Windows 10 has now become a rolling target as well.  Perhaps something else to consider is keeping these two in sync for code compatibility reasons?
 
Agree that whatever works for you is best, and YMMV

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/23 12:57:13 (permalink)
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take control . . . they can't force it on you, and you can 'defer' it for as long as you want. i shut down the updates on all my pc's at 1511 or whatever it was, the one before the original anniversary update, and it only takes a couple of mouse clicks, no registry hacking or other voodoo involved, and it works on home versions as well as pro etc.
 
right click start button - control panel - administrative tools - services - scroll down to windows update - right click and disable, you will not hear from windows update again until if and when you choose.
 



are you 100% sure this still works like it did in win7 and 8? I may be losing my mind but I believe I had this disabled on one of my machines to find I enabled later when connecting the LAN cable again ... (and why all the fuss about the updates if all you need to do is shut down a service?)

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/23 13:00:31 (permalink)
abacab
 
But I will add that if you never install security updates, it's recommended to stay disconnected from the net. Download any offline installers needed and scan any new files on another PC before loading them onto your DAW.
 
Another thing to consider now, is the development life-cycle for Sonar Platinum.  It seems that is very tightly wrapped with Windows API's & programming libraries.  With the rolling updates to Sonar, I would imagine that mainstream product testing would focus priority on the current version of Windows at the time of development.  Windows 10 has now become a rolling target as well.  Perhaps something else to consider is keeping these two in sync for code compatibility reasons?
 

 
i did that for a long time. always disconnected, only offline installs. it just doesn't work anymore with all these interlinked update packages and time required to manually download and install is just too long ... so I have switched to sporadic major updates (win10 plus all DAW software vendors in one go) with full backups before and offline in between ...

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/23 13:08:05 (permalink)
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take control . . . they can't force it on you, and you can 'defer' it for as long as you want. i shut down the updates on all my pc's at 1511 or whatever it was, the one before the original anniversary update, and it only takes a couple of mouse clicks, no registry hacking or other voodoo involved, and it works on home versions as well as pro etc.
 
right click start button - control panel - administrative tools - services - scroll down to windows update - right click and disable, you will not hear from windows update again until if and when you choose.
 



are you 100% sure this still works like it did in win7 and 8? I may be losing my mind but I believe I had this disabled on one of my machines to find I enabled later when connecting the LAN cable again ... (and why all the fuss about the updates if all you need to do is shut down a service?)




It's covered in this article:
http://www.thewindowsclub...s-update-in-windows-10

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/28 08:06:47 (permalink)
#1607 on all machines... no issues with DAWs, just the office PC took me 2 1/2 days to jump thru the hoop
 
on the DAWS I had to do what's been documented in this forum before i.e. reinstall the legacy drivers (using driver signing off) and reactivate AD2
 
apart from that win10 swapped the names for my 2 identical MIDI interfaces, so I had to reassign the friendly names in Sonar to reflect this ...

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/28 10:48:32 (permalink)
I somehow accepted the update last week. I figured I'd try it for a bit. I've found Ableton Live and UAD to appear less stable and I've crashed Live more now than I used to. I actually started the rollback on my machine this morning before I left for work.
 
I really don't know if it's the update or something else, but they only give you 10 days to do the rollback so I figured I'd take the safe route and go back...
 
PS: Stylus RMX needed to be re-authorized after the update, and it lost one of the sample selections in it in a project. Was glad I had a backup...
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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/28 12:52:22 (permalink)
Using Win10 on music pc. I disable the wi-fi adapter when I am not authorizing something. Win10 keeps telling me that I need to update my Win Defender to the latest version. So 1607 hasn't been installed yet. In fact, I don't know last time it did up date. I think the day I installed it, I let it update all it wanted. Then pulled the plug on wi-fi.

I am also of the opinion that you don't need to keep Windows "up to the minute" updated to run a DAW. With Win XP - 7, I only updated when a service pack came out. With win10 I am open to see what comes out.

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/29 07:04:28 (permalink)
welp, the rollback was a pain in the arse and I ended up having to clean off all UAD stuff and re-install.
 
This morning I turn on my PC only to find that Windows decided to install the Anniversary edition AGAIN!.
 
Apparently, resistance IS futile. 
 
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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/29 08:32:52 (permalink)
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This morning I turn on my PC only to find that Windows decided to install the Anniversary edition AGAIN!.
 
Apparently, resistance IS futile. 
 



Actually there is one thing you can do.  There is a Microsoft utility called "wushowhide" that you can run.  It was created for exactly this situation, such as a bad driver update, but can be used to hide any updates that you don't want.
 
Instructions here:
http://www.zdnet.com/arti...ed-windows-10-updates/
 
And here:
http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/8280-windows-updates-hide-show-windows-10-a.html
 
Download here:
Download the "Show or hide updates" troubleshooter package now.
post edited by abacab - 2016/09/29 08:59:31

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/29 08:41:06 (permalink)
How to tame Windows 10 updates:
 
http://www.tenforums.com/...able-windows-10-a.html

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/29 09:01:30 (permalink)
thanks abacab, but I'm a tired old man and just can't fight any longer.
 
where are my slippers?
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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/29 09:04:02 (permalink)
Just update the laptop too no known issues encountered. It took a little longer than the DAW, I suspect because the DAW has a SSD drive.

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Re: 1607 anniversary update 2016/09/29 09:16:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby smallstonefan 2016/09/29 11:36:22
smallstonefan
thanks abacab, but I'm a tired old man and just can't fight any longer.
 
where are my slippers?




Understood.  But realize that you are only 3 feet from the finish line.  You can make it that far in slippers! 

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