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Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface

Can you guys chime in on this and let me know what are the lowest roundtrip latency figures you got (and at what sample rates) on a first gen Focusrite Scarlett interface?
 
I'm currently at 27.7 msec at 44.1 with a 5.0 msec buffer setting on W10 x64.

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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/09/24 13:07:26 (permalink)
44100k @ 5ms buffer = 31.3ms roundtrip (as reported by sonar.)
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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/09/24 17:59:12 (permalink)
That latency is downright brutal. Is that seriously the lowest you can get on Focusrite's ASIO drivers?

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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/09/24 21:18:35 (permalink)
My 18i20 gives me 9.2 at 64 samples 44.1 and 6.7 at 32 samples 44.1
With 3.2.2 beta driver
post edited by Sonico - 2016/09/24 21:40:32

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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/09/25 03:22:34 (permalink)
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That latency is downright brutal. Is that seriously the lowest you can get on Focusrite's ASIO drivers?


No, just the lowest set at 5ms.
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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/09/25 11:07:22 (permalink)
Scarlett 6i6 1st gen
 
5ms = 221 samples
input 11.4 
output 16.4
total RTL= 27.7 
 
This is where I leave it as anything lower will cause trouble. Doesn't bother me as I don't monitor my back end. 

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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/09/25 14:08:40 (permalink)
I see that I'm not alone based on the figures Cactus Music and RSMCGUITAR posted.
 
Would love to get that beta driver sonico is using but it seems Focusrite has moved on from the Scarlett 1st gen.

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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/09/25 14:08:41 (permalink)
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post edited by Samuel540 - 2016/09/25 14:31:00

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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/09/25 14:15:30 (permalink)
I wonder if the latency is even reported properly. I certainly don't a problem with my playing at the above settings I posted.

Also, I'm using the 2.5.2 driver. There is a 2.5.1 and 3.2.2 as well
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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/09/25 14:51:54 (permalink)
Focusrite interfaces offer a superb price:performance ratio, which is why I use one. But one of the reasons they're a great bargain is the chipset they (and many other manufacturers) use, which is cheap (good for consumers) but incapable of the lowest latencies offered by more expensive brands (e.g. RME).
 
For me, it was a reasonable tradeoff because I don't care about low-latency performance. But if you're someone who plays sampled instruments in real time, and therefore needs to get round-trip latency down under 20 ms, then you're probably looking at a pricey hardware upgrade to achieve that.
 


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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/09/25 17:55:28 (permalink)
http://beta.focusrite.com/releases/focusrite_usb2_drivers/
Look for the Focusrite USB2 Drivers 3.2.2 and Scarlett MixControl 1.9b12

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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/09/25 17:55:44 (permalink)
http://beta.focusrite.com/releases/focusrite_usb2_drivers/
Look for the Focusrite USB2 Drivers 3.2.2 and Scarlett MixControl 1.9b12

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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/09/25 18:27:25 (permalink)
I use beta drivers too, and find these are a lot better than official v1.8 drivers.

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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/09/25 22:00:07 (permalink)
I'm always below 10ms for tracking...never really notice the latency. I turn off FX for tracking and set buffer size to 128. My gear list is below:
 

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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/09/25 23:21:42 (permalink)
I'm never clear as to what others are reporting. Are people looking at what I'm looking at which is Sonars reported round trip latency?? 
I know a faster computer might help but I'd have to set the Mix Control setting at 2ms to get around 10ms RTL. On my system this will stop the audio engine dead in it's tracks.. 
I've no problem recording soft synths.  I do not hear any delay when playing my controller driving any soft synths.  And yes I always bypass all bins when recording midi otherwise I wail hear delay.
I think mid is a totally different kettle of fish. In my case I'm not even sure it has anything to do with the Scarlett drivers at all.
I'm either using a Roland USB keyboard controller or my Yamaha digital drums which are also USB.They both require installing their own drivers. There is a noticeable delay with the Yamaha drums so I direct monitor the brain while tracking. But I spend days and days working with my Roland controller / keyboard and it responds instantly. 
 
If I turn on input echo for an audio track I can most certainly hear a slap back echo.
 
I just tried a few different sample rates
I can get as low as 3.4 ms if I set it at 2 ms = 89 samples and 96hz. But of course that's not going to get any work done. 
At 48 and 5ms I only get a little better than 44.1. @ 21ms rtl
88.2 gives me 12ms rtl at the 5 ms buffer. 
 
post edited by Cactus Music - 2016/09/26 00:16:12

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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/09/26 01:57:28 (permalink)
I think there is some confusion because in the beta (newer) driver you don't set the buffer in the Scarlett Mix Control app but in a different driver configuration app, and the buffer size is in samples (not ms).
There are also three modes, Recording, Normal and Mixing and each increases RTL for a given sample buffer.
In my two computers (desktop and laptop) the beta 3.2.2 driver performs excelent and waaaay better than the 1.8 (official) driver.
Not sure it works the same for others but it might be worth trying... 
I think the Scarlett 1st generation interfaces are great but we have to fine tune the settings.
Hope this helps...

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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/09/28 16:26:23 (permalink)
Sonico
http://beta.focusrite.com/releases/focusrite_usb2_drivers/
Look for the Focusrite USB2 Drivers 3.2.2 and Scarlett MixControl 1.9b12


This is great! Thanks a bunch, man. Fingers crossed!

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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/09/28 16:36:44 (permalink)
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I think there is some confusion because in the beta (newer) driver you don't set the buffer in the Scarlett Mix Control app but in a different driver configuration app, and the buffer size is in samples (not ms).
There are also three modes, Recording, Normal and Mixing and each increases RTL for a given sample buffer.
In my two computers (desktop and laptop) the beta 3.2.2 driver performs excelent and waaaay better than the 1.8 (official) driver.
Not sure it works the same for others but it might be worth trying... 
I think the Scarlett 1st generation interfaces are great but we have to fine tune the settings.
Hope this helps...


They should've made this beta official by now! And why stop there?! They could also update the MixControl application with the new design and features of the new application for the second generation Scarlett range (Focusrite Control)... but they probably want first gen Scarlett owners like us to stick around and purchase their second gen stuff.

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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/09/28 18:21:25 (permalink)
I'm pretty annoyed that the driver is stuck in beta land (purgatory.) Personally I use the 2.5.2 driver. The 3.2.2 driver didn't work as well. I did like the interface better though. I've contacted Focusrite several times about whether or not the driver will ever be out of beta and always get a bureaucratic response. Certainly doesn't give me confidence to by from Focusrite again if my unit ever dies.
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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/09/28 19:12:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2016/09/28 20:42:35
They used to come on this forum,, haven't seen that for a long time.
It's not clear to me if that beta driver is for the 6i6. My driver is still the latest which is 1.8. which is pretty old  17/03/2014. That's why I'm moving on to a different brand.
The hype about the 2nd generation basically bashes the 1st. I guess the 3rd generation will claim the 2nd was crap.

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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/10/04 15:23:06 (permalink)
Fed up of latency issues with focusrite...al set to move to RME
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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/10/04 23:39:43 (permalink)
It's a price point , they make a good interface at the price point, but I'm thinking Tascam is jumping ahead of them now they have there act together. Tascam always did give us the best bang for the buck over the years of home studio recording gear. 

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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/10/06 14:35:06 (permalink)
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Fed up of latency issues with focusrite...al set to move to RME

Yeah, I think I've made up my mind about my next audio interface purchase and it's RME.

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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/10/06 14:35:50 (permalink)
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It's a price point , they make a good interface at the price point, but I'm thinking Tascam is jumping ahead of them now they have there act together. Tascam always did give us the best bang for the buck over the years of home studio recording gear. 

Yeah, I guess you're right.

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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/10/06 15:01:02 (permalink)
Thanks for the great info (http://beta.focusrite.com/releases/focusrite_usb2_drivers/ Look for the Focusrite USB2 Drivers 3.2.2 and Scarlett MixControl 1.9b12)
Since weeks I tried to figure out, why I'd go up to a RTL of ~ 29ms (256 samples, balanced mode) in order to prevent my system to have drop outs.
With the new driver version I'm down to a RTL of ~ 15ms (64 samples, balanced mode).
Nevertheless: next investment will be a RME PCIe solution. It is no fun to play with TH3 with that latencies...

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Re: Lowest Latency Roundtrip Achieved from a Focusrite Scarlett (1st Gen) Audio Interface 2016/10/09 20:21:48 (permalink)
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Thanks for the great info (http://beta.focusrite.com/releases/focusrite_usb2_drivers/ Look for the Focusrite USB2 Drivers 3.2.2 and Scarlett MixControl 1.9b12)
Since weeks I tried to figure out, why I'd go up to a RTL of ~ 29ms (256 samples, balanced mode) in order to prevent my system to have drop outs.
With the new driver version I'm down to a RTL of ~ 15ms (64 samples, balanced mode).
Nevertheless: next investment will be a RME PCIe solution. It is no fun to play with TH3 with that latencies...

Great! Did you have any issues updating the firmware?

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