Bloodrocuted666
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Drum maps or Piano roll to program drums?
Hi guys,
Do you use Drum maps to program drums or Piano roll when programming drums? I have Superior drummer. ezdrummer, SSD3 and now addictive drums(I just upgraded to platinum today).
From what I understand different drum programs use different drum mappings so you can't just point a midi track to a different drum program so I am looking into using drum maps to program the drums instead.
Is there anywhere I can download sonar drum maps or will I have to create them myself?
Also can anyone explain the benefits of programming drums using drum maps? Can I still drag and drop straight out of addictive drums or ezdrummer if using a drum map?
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Uncledavidyo
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Re: Drum maps or Piano roll to program drums?
2016/09/29 22:55:13
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Hi there, first time posting but, long time sonar user since sonar 5 studio. I have the same question but, also wanted to know, if anyone knows what happened to the drum maps for sonar, that used to be on the toontrack site. They are no longer there. I like the toontrack stuff (easy drummer 2 and superior) a lot more than the addictive drums because I know them better, and would love to know where to get drum maps for them. Big shout out for this forum, I have learned a lot from you all over the years, and Sonar is the only DAW that I use.
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Re: Drum maps or Piano roll to program drums?
2016/09/29 23:32:02
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Drum maps are not so much for programing but for setting in and outs as well as providing names for kit pieces. The Step Sequencer is for programing drums as well as other instruments. The PRV is a very good place to program drums in conjunction with drum maps.
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Bloodrocuted666
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Re: Drum maps or Piano roll to program drums?
2016/09/29 23:57:54
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John
Drum maps are not so much for programing but for setting in and outs as well as providing names for kit pieces. The Step Sequencer is for programing drums as well as other instruments. The PRV is a very good place to program drums in conjunction with drum maps.
Thanks! I have been programming in PRV for years and was just curious if making drum maps would help in programming as its easy to see from a glance what each midi hit triggers in the software(with the correct mapping of course) and to see if anyone else did it another way! I figure I can always learn something. I know Cakewalk have a drum map you can download for AD2 though so I am going to give it a try to see if it makes anything easier or not. I haven't redeemed the kits yet for AD2 though.
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Re: Drum maps or Piano roll to program drums?
2016/09/30 01:15:03
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https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013364/Setting-up-a-Drum-Map-for-Addictive-Drums-2-in-SONAR AD2 drum map is included in that article and a walk through of use.
post edited by mettelus - 2016/09/30 01:37:33
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Re: Drum maps or Piano roll to program drums?
2016/09/30 12:07:46
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The drum map with AD2 is VERY worth using in my opinion.
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Re: Drum maps or Piano roll to program drums?
2016/09/30 12:29:38
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I really hope sooner or later Cakewalk improves the drum manager.
I would love to be able to edit names right in the prv. and drum maps are created in that drum view which I much more prefer the piano view with larger names. (just use a custom map and then session drummers default map and you'll see what I mean.
creating your own drum maps are fairly easy, just a lot of work entailed. you have to open the drum manager to edit note names, exc. would be much easier naming them right there in the PRV.
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Re: Drum maps or Piano roll to program drums?
2016/09/30 12:54:47
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☄ Helpfulby pinguinotuerto 2016/09/30 14:01:13
chuckebaby
I really hope sooner or later Cakewalk improves the drum manager.
I would love to be able to edit names right in the prv.
An improved Drum Map editor/manager would be nice. It is also pretty easy to expand the .Note Names section of the Master.ins to create alternatives to the keyboard layout in the Note Pane of the PRV. Additionally there is a tool in the Sonar Resources and Utilities thread called Ins2map which converts an ins file into a drum map.
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Re: Drum maps or Piano roll to program drums?
2016/09/30 13:06:45
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chuckebaby
I really hope sooner or later Cakewalk improves the drum manager.
I would love to be able to edit names right in the prv.
An improved Drum Map editor/manager would be nice. It is also pretty easy to expand the .Note Names section of the Master.ins to create alternatives to the keyboard layout in the Note Pane of the PRV. Additionally there is a tool in the Sonar Resources and Utilities thread called Ins2map which converts an ins file into a drum map.
this is great, thanks Steve. I just downloaded though and its called " CwDrSfzMaker". is this the same as Ins2Map ?
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Re: Drum maps or Piano roll to program drums?
2016/09/30 13:20:27
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No, CwDrSfzMaker is a tool created Bill Jackson. It makes sfz files for use with the drum replace. The ins to drum map tool is called Ins2map.zip. It looks like the link on the Sonar Resources and Utilities page is messed up. The link should take you to the Audible Distortion page. Under Tools on that page, click on "Cakewalk Sonar" Edit: I sent a PM to Elffin but will fix the link myself....done
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chuckebaby
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Re: Drum maps or Piano roll to program drums?
2016/09/30 22:28:38
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that link to Audible distortion brings up a malware warning here Steve.
I know its probably okay site but I cant get in to it here.
ya that link for Ins2map is a different download. it opens up a download link for Cwdrsfzmaker.
thanks again for pm ing elfin.
looking forward to trying this out.
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Re: Drum maps or Piano roll to program drums?
2016/10/01 03:29:56
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Chuck, you do not have to open the Drum Map manager in order to edit the name of a given articulation
With the PRV visible and a drum map loaded, just double click any entry and the Map Properties dialog will be opened where you can change anything you want.
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Re: Drum maps or Piano roll to program drums?
2016/10/01 09:01:21
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Re: Drum maps or Piano roll to program drums?
2016/10/01 09:36:20
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Re: Drum maps or Piano roll to program drums?
2016/10/01 09:58:00
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Chuck, you do not have to open the Drum Map manager in order to edit the name of a given articulation
With the PRV visible and a drum map loaded, just double click any entry and the Map Properties dialog will be opened where you can change anything you want.
thanks BJ. I probably didn't word my comment as well as I should have. double clicking on custom maps works but I much prefer editing an already established map / or a default map. like Session drummer, in mercury=you have the piano with nice large black print on white background. in custom maps, you have white lettering on a grey background which is hard to see. maybe I can use theme editor to change some of these colors. thanks for the reply.
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Re: Drum maps or Piano roll to program drums?
2016/10/01 10:10:42
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Drum maps are indispensable for me. I use AD2 and EZ Drummer 2. I use the AD 2 map provided by Sonar in the link above, and I have a bunch of old EZ drummer maps that still work fine. I don't really have a way of posting them, but if anyone PMS me I can just email the EZ Drummer maps should you want them.
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Re: Drum maps or Piano roll to program drums?
2016/10/01 15:05:58
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chuckebaby
Bristol_Jonesey
Chuck, you do not have to open the Drum Map manager in order to edit the name of a given articulation
With the PRV visible and a drum map loaded, just double click any entry and the Map Properties dialog will be opened where you can change anything you want.
thanks BJ.
I probably didn't word my comment as well as I should have.
double clicking on custom maps works but I much prefer editing an already established map / or a default map.
like Session drummer, in mercury=you have the piano with nice large black print on white background.
in custom maps, you have white lettering on a grey background which is hard to see.
maybe I can use theme editor to change some of these colors.
thanks for the reply.
That would be WAY cool! No pressure...........
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Re: Drum maps or Piano roll to program drums?
2016/10/03 18:53:47
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Drum maps are indispensable for me. I use AD2 and EZ Drummer 2. I use the AD 2 map provided by Sonar in the link above, and I have a bunch of old EZ drummer maps that still work fine. I don't really have a way of posting them, but if anyone PMS me I can just email the EZ Drummer maps should you want them.
Hi I am just going to send you a PM. That would be great! I am using EZ drummer to write with but as I just updated to platinum from pro I will have 4 Adpaks(still deciding on what to pick for the last 2) and am wanting to try them out with the stuff I am writing to see if they sit in the mix better as I've heard great things about addictive drums sitting well in a mix but also being less processed than ezdrummer so easier to apply your own effects to.
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