jbraner
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SONG: Post Fact
Hi, I've got another new song ready - for your listening pleasure (or not). As usual, all feedback (good or bad) is gratefully accepted. It's called "Post Fact" and you can find it here: http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=13461283It features a few synth arpeggiators this time, plus the usual suspects: Superior drums Trilian Bass Omnisphere Arturia Minimoog and a real strat and tele through S-Gear amps and Torpedo WOS III Cabinets and all put together in SONAR Platinum rgds,
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/05 20:57:22
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I like it, some tasty guitar playing on display! I was expecting some trumpisms, given your title. Pretty easy target, which you have nailed, and I don't think it was too heavy handed, just right. In the first guitar build-up section, it kind of seemed like there were three guitars all jammed together in the middle. You have one that is just hitting a sustained chord - maybe that one is too loud in the mix? And the others could maybe separate out a little? This seemed to clear itself up in the second part of the song, after the trumpisms. Bass g could come up - you have some cool roundwound? bass tone? Or are they brand new flats? I have no right to say this, given my own AD2 abuse, but your drum loop could switch out for something else a little more. Kind of had a Rush instrumental vibe to it, moves right along. Good job! -Tom
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jbraner
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/06 04:37:47
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Thanks for listening and for the comments Tom. Just a couple of things: - thanks for the feedback on the Trump content. I didn't want to overdo it. (I can always make a "non vocal snippet" version too) - I thought the guitars were panned enough in that part. I wanted there to be contrast with the different sections. I get a lot of comments about not panning enough though - so maybe ~I need to rethink this. - the bass software, so I don't know what kind of strings they used when sampling ;-) - fair comment on the drum part. I was thinking that things were busy enough, and wanted to keep a "lowish" profile with the drum part. I do appreciate your comments though.
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/06 08:33:07
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The thing I don't like about the midi groove you used, is that it is pretty non-stop. Lots of busy ghost notes and cymbal hits. If I was playing or programming the drums, I would let the drums breathe a bit here and there by skipping a snare beat or altering the kick beat. That's just me though. The drums sound fine. I hear what Tom is saying about the guitar pile up in the beginning, but I don't think it is bad. I always enjoy your guitar playing. I thought, overall, this was well put together. Regards, Dan
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/06 11:06:14
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Thanks for listening Dan - and for your comments. The drum beats are actually meant to play a little slower - but I stuck with them. I was thinking along the lines of being a little repetative, and going along with the synth arpeggiators. You know how it gets
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/07 13:06:20
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Interesting, the drums do get a little busy and the middle 8 is perhaps a little more than 8 bars . Some nice tones and playing good stuff generally thanks for sharing.
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/07 13:16:22
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Pretty cool and nice sound for my end....almost a tad flavor of RHCP around 3:30ish I felt...cool stuff throughout....nice gtr work. ;o) thx for share
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/07 15:03:37
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Great playing John - I like the dry sound - it gives the overall track more edge.
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/08 05:02:23
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Thanks a lot for listening wookie, bass an daryl - and for your comments! and the middle 8 is perhaps a little more than 8 bars It's nowhere near 8 bars, and as a matter of fact it doesn't even follow bars. It's just the arpeggiator running amok with a little keyboard input (and some background noises)
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/08 06:58:35
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Cool song. Lots of cool elements in it. If you were to change anything in it, I'd start by tuning the guitar and re-tracking it. It is sharp compared to the bass and synth.
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/08 07:18:59
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Thanks for listening string jammer - and for the comments. Do you mean the melody line at the beginning? I'm pretty sure I checked this in Melodyne - because I thought it sounded a little out, and it was in tune. I just put it down to "one of those things" - because sometimes I hear bass notes out of tune...
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/12 18:45:34
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Good one, John! Nice continuation into the synth realm. While the drums are a bit busy, I like the groove you've assembled between those, the bass and the arps. Speaking of which, the "wetness" of the arp breakdown section works well. And of course you've got some tasty guitar parts riding over top, having their own debate on the left and the right.
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/13 04:43:24
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Hi Steve - thanks a lot for listening and for the nice comments! ;-)
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/13 15:47:58
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Hi, It seems you got great fun to produce this track... Full of joy and energy.. No technical thoughts available from my part,I think that as a skilled musician you know where you want to go. Good time spent with this piece. Carry on. All the best. Olivier.
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/13 16:21:46
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Hi Olivier,
Thanks a lot for listening - "non technical" comments are very welcome too! ;-)
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/13 17:21:54
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I did listen 3 times now and not reading any of the comments above (will do afterwards) so I'll just speak my mind ... well, I have to say I like that a lot. Listening on cans (no www in the studio) it comes across nicely. It's the energy that gets me, yet admittedly I was surprised it's only 4:40 something. It felt longer ... I really wonder how that would do if you swap the drum loop for some real maniac on drums, ditto for the bass. I like the bass licks, yet it could come across less well behaved ... lacking the proper English word here for describing how bass players behave on stage when stuff is just happening later in the evening ;-)
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/13 21:08:21
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John, this is pretty cool - love you playing. Very nice.
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/14 05:05:14
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Rob, Markus Thanks a lot for listening and for your comments. Rob - you are the first person to suggest that the drums should maybe be *more* busy ;-) Is that what you mean by "real maniac on drums"? I know the drum part is a little busy (as many have said) but I feel that it really pushed things along with the arpeggiated synths. ;-) I bet it would be great with a real drummer and bass player - but they would bnever fit in my "closet studio" ;-) I always save these things in case opportunities come up - like replacing parts with real instruments 9or even re-recording everything)
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/14 05:30:26
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jbraner Rob - you are the first person to suggest that the drums should maybe be *more* busy ;-) Is that what you mean by "real maniac on drums"? I know the drum part is a little busy (as many have said) but I feel that it really pushed things along with the arpeggiated synths. ;-)
the drums are busy enough as they are, what I was trying to say was more along the line of how it would sound if such a maniac groove ;-) would sound if a real maniac was on it i.e. introducing all these subtle variations just by playing it live vs the perfectness of the programmed version. having said that pls don't go off listening to my stuff because what you find is dated and also all programmed. I invested most of my time in the past year (almost 2 years now!) in writing and testing material live with a band ... so we ourselves got a big challenge ahead i.e. capturing that now as we finally get down to recording these 12 tracks. last time we failed big time - while we could get the sound, we could not get the performance, so we ended up using MIDI material, loops and sample libs ... meanwhile we forged that project into a real band, so fingers crossed it'll work this time ... jbraner I bet it would be great with a real drummer and bass player - but they would bnever fit in my "closet studio" ;-) I always save these things in case opportunities come up - like replacing parts with real instruments 9or even re-recording everything)
might get back to you on something like that. I sense a shortage of skilled 6 string heroes in my vicinity, in case you are interested in the occasional collaboration ?
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/14 05:35:54
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Well, at least you didn't say they're *too busy* ;-) while we could get the sound, we could not get the performance, that is the magic! Getting both together ;-) might get back to you on something like that. I sense a shortage of skilled 6 string heroes in my vicinity, in case you are interested in the occasional collaboration ? That would be great! We could also practice rebooting our MOTU devices (see hardware thread)
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/17 16:52:59
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Very cool stuff here, John - lots to like. The one thing that strikes me when the heavier crunch guitars play (0:43-1:15 or so), there's some fizz/highmid happening that could be lowered to make the guitars less harsh. Not the distortion, but the q of it. .02 for your consideration. Rock on.
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Re: SONG: Post Fact
2016/10/18 04:26:15
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Thanks a lot for listening jshep - and for your comments. I'll listen again to those guitar parts...
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