pilutiful
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Hearing loss when 50+
Hi,
You hear often you lose hearing (especially) for higher frequencies as you get older. Nobody gets younger, so it makes you wonder if it will affect your mixing performance when you get there. Any thoughts?
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/11 08:52:36
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I have found that if I bow my head down towards my mix console my ears seem to "open up" and I can hear the top, or more top anyway. Very disconcerting anyway.
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/11 08:56:10
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Yes. We've had several threads here about hearing loss and related. It does affect your mixing and everything. And the loss comes so slowly that you don't react to it unless you have your ears examined and are told you have a dip here and a dip there. Many have found ways to compensate it. I thought my hearing loss is due to excessive
noise during rock'n'roll youth, but to my surprise the doctor said the graphs looks like normal age related hearing loss. So I know that if something sounds too treble to me, it's already intolerable to people with normal hearing.
That's one of the reasons I use SPAN and reference tracks a lot.
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/11 09:55:55
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I have a hearing test scheduled for Thursday. I know I have tinnitus. I am starting to have difficulty hearing single voices in crowded rooms, restaurants, etc. Women's voices have become difficult to hear some times. I am sure that it has effected my mixing, but I haven't noticed it so far. Having other to bounce the mixes off of, helps a lot as well.
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/11 11:03:54
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/11 11:05:31
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☄ Helpfulby drewfx1 2016/10/11 13:14:23
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Women's voices have become difficult to hear some times.
That's called ignoring. 
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/11 11:06:43
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To the OP. I use hyped earbuds to to check my hi-freqs. And I pass mixes by some of my friends here who do not seem to have a loss (yet).
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/11 12:13:47
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They say that what you can't hear, you can't mix. Partially true I think..... you can always use reference and visual material. Spectrum analyzers are one tool that let you see what's going on in the mix.
Getting feedback on this forum and from friends who know music and don't have high freq loss would be good options as well.
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/11 13:51:26
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The way I see it, my inner EQ curve as off when I was younger. With age it's settled down to perfection- yeah right.
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/11 17:49:07
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michaelhanson
I have a hearing test scheduled for Thursday. I know I have tinnitus. I am starting to have difficulty hearing single voices in crowded rooms, restaurants, etc. Women's voices have become difficult to hear some times. I am sure that it has effected my mixing, but I haven't noticed it so far. Having other to bounce the mixes off of, helps a lot as well.
Truth!! I've had permanent tinnitus in one ear for nearly a decade now. Discerning single voices out of many is nigh on impossible, everything just sounds like a wash of noise inside my head.
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/12 09:17:06
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Hearing loss needn't have a severe impact on your mixes. What you're losing starts at the extreme high end of the spectrum and moves downward over time. IOW, the least-important frequencies are the first to go. The most-important are last to go.
Another mitigating factor: average hearing acuity is diminishing across all populations. Constant earbud usage has resulted in 1/3 of all teenagers having the hearing acuity of a 55-year-old. Now, if a 17-year-old has the hearing of a 55-year-old, what will he be hearing when he's actually 55? Experts worry that in another 30 years hearing impairment will have become a major health crisis.
So yes, you may actually have better hearing in your 50's than many teens. (Although this may not apply to those of us who've been playing in bands for half a century.)
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/12 09:20:42
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(Although this may not apply to those of us who've been playing in bands for half a century.)
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/12 14:11:59
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☄ Helpfulby jbow 2016/10/31 17:07:27
It only seems like a long time when it's 1:00 AM and you're used to being in bed by 9.
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/12 14:13:02
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bitflipper
It only seems like a long time when it's 1:00 AM and you're used to being in bed by 9.
Czech dat.
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/14 20:29:17
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What? can you repeat that please? I'm over 50.
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/14 20:42:26
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michaelhanson
I have a hearing test scheduled for Thursday. I know I have tinnitus. I am starting to have difficulty hearing single voices in crowded rooms, restaurants, etc. Women's voices have become difficult to hear some times. I am sure that it has effected my mixing, but I haven't noticed it so far. Having other to bounce the mixes off of, helps a lot as well.
Truth!!
I've had permanent tinnitus in one ear for nearly a decade now. Discerning single voices out of many is nigh on impossible, everything just sounds like a wash of noise inside my head.
How awful, sorry to hear that BJ. After studying classical guitar for so long, and it being such an intimate instrument I find that I have gotten very good (I realize there can be physical limitations) at listening. Much better than I ever was when I was playing through an amplifier. People can't believe that I listen to the TV at such a low volume, and to me when I go to their houses I'm constantly saying to turn it down. Naturally I probably can't hear anything above 15k and I don't realize it, but in terms of the quantity of sound, I've gotten much better.
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/21 11:32:21
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The curious thing is, I am told by people (whose opinions I value), that my mixes are getting better & better.
Go figure.............
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/21 11:40:22
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/10/21 12:17:38
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The curious thing is, I am told by people (whose opinions I value), that my mixes are getting better & better.
Go figure.............
Are THEY over 50? (Just sayin'... )
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/21 12:18:02
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☄ Helpfulby eph221 2016/10/26 01:03:37
HEY CRAIGB!!!!!!
STOP WHISPERING!!!!!!!!
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/21 22:32:31
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/22 13:04:27
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/10/22 13:44:33
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Women's voices have become difficult to hear some times.
SO at a certain point in my life I wont be able to hear my wife? ahh dare I dream? Just kidding .. I love my wife on most days
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/10/31 17:08:55
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Bristol_Jonesey
The curious thing is, I am told by people (whose opinions I value), that my mixes are getting better & better.
Go figure.............
Well, people are liking bass more and more... just don't use subwoofers and you'll likely be OK!  J
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/11/03 15:53:25
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/11/04 00:51:43
How about an over 50 Prochannel plugin?? Set the dial for your age and presto! Also reminds you to take your pills and schedule your annual colonoscopy.
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/11/11 08:13:20
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How about an over 50 Prochannel plugin?? Set the dial for your age and presto! Also reminds you to take your pills and schedule your annual colonoscopy.
Actually not a bad idea :)
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/11/11 16:22:12
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☄ Helpfulby pilutiful 2016/11/12 08:23:51
Some of the most famous, and in (expensive) demand engineers are well into their fifties and older.
I refuse to believe that their magical golden ears are somehow protected from hearing loss whether age related or otherwise. Though the worst emgineer I ever had the misfortune to be limbered with (band demo in the 90s and a couple of members insisted we used this guy) was so deaf he couldn't hear obvious digital clipping.
And one of the best had ears so golden you had to shout at him all the time....
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/11/12 08:25:50
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Some of the most famous, and in (expensive) demand engineers are well into their fifties and older.
I refuse to believe that their magical golden ears are somehow protected from hearing loss whether age related or otherwise. Though the worst emgineer I ever had the misfortune to be limbered with (band demo in the 90s and a couple of members insisted we used this guy) was so deaf he couldn't hear obvious digital clipping.
And one of the best had ears so golden you had to shout at him all the time....
I was thinking the same...those who are regarded the best today seems to be over 50 from my best guess. Though I had hard time finding their birthday on the interwebs :-) f.ex. Dave Pensado and CLA.
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/11/12 13:18:09
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My solution nowadays is to run my mixes past my friends dog. If it starts to howl then the top end is too high
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Re: Hearing loss when 50+
2016/11/16 17:05:21
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Tom Dowd claimed that he could mix by just watching the meters and using the sliders. Other people said, not so much.. still it should be a help if you practice and compared with tracks you know have the same frequency range and you know sound good, I'd think so anyway. Just another tool in the box... I don't think it would be a replacement for good ears but if something looks all wrong it might be an indicator, IDK.
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