matstrid
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Dropouts in 2016.09
I've not used SPLAT for some months but yesterday updated to 2016.09 (v2) and loaded some of my latest projects. It was not a pleasant experience at first as I noted tons of dropouts were there were none before. I was rather expecting the opposite now when the bakers are working on load balancing: When at idle (not playing) core 1 (the one to the left) is almost constantly maximizing. When playback starts it goes down to about half but it maximizes frequently causing dropouts. However, after a few hours of testing I was surprised to find the following: When opening the interfaces to the plugins and either leaving them open or minimizing them dramatically improves performance, especially for UVI Falcon. It seems some plugins "want to be visible" to perform at peak. Anyone else noticing this? Could it be a bug in Sonar or perhaps the plugins? This is new to me at least. Btw, I found the new Load Balancing to cause even more dropouts, so that one went back to off quickly. /Mats
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Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
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Re: Dropouts in 2016.09
2016/10/18 09:46:28
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have you updated your system since the previous time you used Sonar? graphic card driver for example could make a huge difference in terms of more/less dropouts ... how is the disk doing? has it become a lot fuller? system specs and recent changes to system would help to give more detail hints on what to check. load balancing is not the one and only solution to etter performance ... it only help in certain situations (see documentation)
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Re: Dropouts in 2016.09
2016/10/18 10:32:38
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And if you have windows 10 and it has updated, it definitely reset some stuff that can affect audio (like USB power settings, etc.) Also, some people have had to re-install their interface drivers after the updates.
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matstrid
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Re: Dropouts in 2016.09
2016/10/18 11:25:15
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No, I haven't changed anything in the meantime. I think however Windows 10 has made an update since. But I haven't changed anything in the driver or USB settings either now or before. I use a Behringer ASIO interface that has worked without trouble. I'll however try to reinstall the driver, just in case. CPU is an I7 4(8)-core which rarely have caused any dropouts before. All installed on SSD. Very strange behaviour, even stranger that it can be "fixed" as I wrote above. /Mats
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Re: Dropouts in 2016.09
2016/10/18 12:07:24
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Cakewalk CTO Noel Borthwick clarified recently that Load Balancing is not applicable to synth plugins. To confirm or rule out changes in SONAR as a cause or contributing factor, I suggest you roll back a version or two (or to whatever the last verison was that you were using) to see if the problem persists.
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matstrid
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Re: Dropouts in 2016.09
2016/10/18 12:47:05
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I now rolled back to 2016.08 and the dropouts are gone. Something happened in 2016.09 that made the performance worse for me. I still get even better performance when especially Falcon is visible. I guess it always has been that way and it's a "feature/bug" of that plugin that I haven't noticed before. Sorry if that confused anyone. Thanks all, now I know it's not something here that is broken.
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Re: Dropouts in 2016.09
2016/10/18 13:03:42
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you might want to make a note of settings in 2016.08. then re install 2016.09 and see if they are the same. (buffer size, audio interface card settings,exc) this might help you narrow down the culprit.
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matstrid
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Re: Dropouts in 2016.09
2016/10/18 13:27:06
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No, nothings changed in the driver settings. It's the same as before I rolled back. I don't think updates from Cakewalk change in the driver settings, at least not what I've seen so far.
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Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
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Re: Dropouts in 2016.09
2016/10/18 13:27:33
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chuckebaby you might want to make a note of settings in 2016.08. then re install 2016.09 and see if they are the same. (buffer size, audio interface card settings,exc) this might help you narrow down the culprit.
I haven't had any Sonar updates change any of my audio / MIDI settings (at least I never noticed so far) ... If there has been a long time since last serious Sonar use, I suspect the #1607 anniversary update, which is basically a win10 reinstall and installs all drivers again (not necessarily the same as before), to cause some differences. Still strange if it works in 2016.08.
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robert_e_bone
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Re: Dropouts in 2016.09
2016/10/18 14:37:27
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I don't know if there would be any connection between Windows and Sonar from this, but literally yesterday I was answering someone's question about Power Management Advanced Options in Windows, and I wanted to accurately supply the name of the parameter I was referring to, so I went into MY system to grab the correct name for it - and discovered that Windows had RESET the Power Plan from High Performance back to Balanced, - which ROYALLY aggravated me. If I get some time later today, I will go back into my settings to see if any others were changed/reset by Windows Update. All I am suggesting is that you might want to review your settings to make sure some stellar decision by a Microsoft engineer hasn't changed something that could affect the current Sonar and not a prior version. I believe the above is not particularly likely, but if you are in there looking for potential issues, it might be worth just keeping this in the back of your head as you look, just in case. Bob Bone
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Cactus Music
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Re: Dropouts in 2016.09
2016/10/18 15:01:45
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I know people like Windows 10 but my observation has been in many cases it sucks big time. It gives us no option for hands on control anymore. I'm about to re install Windows 7 on my wife's Laptop. She ends up spending hours fighting with W10 and just when we get it running a like it did under W7, Windows 10 changes everything back without warning and now you spend another hour fixing stuff that should not be broken. I just had to re install our Printers drivers ,,again... They really need to give back the option of _ "Let me choose when Windows downloads and installs updates" It even removed Windows update shortcut from the control panel because I guess they don't what us to muck about.
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Re: Dropouts in 2016.09
2016/10/18 15:42:11
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robert_e_bone I don't know if there would be any connection between Windows and Sonar from this, but literally yesterday I was answering someone's question about Power Management Advanced Options in Windows, and I wanted to accurately supply the name of the parameter I was referring to, so I went into MY system to grab the correct name for it - and discovered that Windows had RESET the Power Plan from High Performance back to Balanced, - which ROYALLY aggravated me. If I get some time later today, I will go back into my settings to see if any others were changed/reset by Windows Update. All I am suggesting is that you might want to review your settings to make sure some stellar decision by a Microsoft engineer hasn't changed something that could affect the current Sonar and not a prior version. I believe the above is not particularly likely, but if you are in there looking for potential issues, it might be worth just keeping this in the back of your head as you look, just in case. Bob Bone
This is something I need to check. After the last windows 10 update my laptop started choking with the wasapi driver but work ok with my asio device. Before the update both were working file. I had set the power plan before the update. Hymmm?
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Steve_Karl
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Re: Dropouts in 2016.09
2016/10/18 15:45:24
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Hasn't anyone figured out a way to totally nuke Win10 Updates?
I haven't unpdated my Win7 Pro 64 DAW since the day I built up the OS to SP-1 and it's been spectacular ever since that day.
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matstrid
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Re: Dropouts in 2016.09
2016/10/18 17:40:16
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As annoying as the last major Windows 10 "forced" update was, I don't think it has anything to do with this. This thread encouraged me to install the latest again and I got the same result as dappa1. The performance is up to normal again. Could all this happened because of a bad update in the first place? From now on I'll switch between versions when this happens now I know it's so easy to do.
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Re: Dropouts in 2016.09
2016/10/18 18:30:01
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Cactus Music They really need to give back the option of _ "Let me choose when Windows downloads and installs updates" It even removed Windows update shortcut from the control panel because I guess they don't what us to muck about.
Give this a try Johnny. It is a standalone utility with which you can disable automatic updates was well as many other annoying features of win 10. http://www.thewindowsclub.com/ultimate-windows-tweaker-4-windows-10 Fwiw there is still a windows update shortcut for when you want to manually check. Just type 'settings' in the taskbar search box and run the app. I just re-enable updates using this utility when it suits me and run the update manually.
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Cactus Music
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Re: Dropouts in 2016.09
2016/10/18 18:43:42
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Yes I found the Windows Updater by asking "Cortina" At least she knows where stuff is ;) But there's not much point opening it other than to run a manual update. I might give your little utility a try for my Office W10 computer. I know it updated because I lost most of my Taskbar icons and like everyone said , I had to re set the power plan. My DAW is immune because it's always off line. I only plug the LAN cable in when I know there's a Sonar update,, I rarely use the internet with that machine. Sometimes for looking up lyrics.
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Re: Dropouts in 2016.09
2016/10/19 00:35:13
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☄ Helpfulby Steve_Karl 2016/10/19 15:11:29
Cactus Music But there's not much point opening it other than to run a manual update. My DAW is immune because it's always off line. I only plug the LAN cable in when I know there's a Sonar update,, I rarely use the internet with that machine. Sometimes for looking up lyrics.
Absolutely true on the update setting - that is all it is for. I know others disagree, but I am with you 100% on isolating your DAW. I install sonar and audio interface driver updates manually, and only connect via CCC to register if ever necessary. I have my studio PC on it's own offline network and never have issues. It is amazing how long you can have trouble free operation without any of the so called latest important updates. Should an issue eventually arise (months or years later!), I update everything.
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