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Re: Slate Media Technology Raven MTi2 Control Surface
2016/10/24 13:16:16
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Sonar is not listed as one of the supported DAWS, on their website.
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Re: Slate Media Technology Raven MTi2 Control Surface
2016/10/24 13:23:56
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Yeah, I noticed that after posting this thread. Too bad cause I would definitely consider purchasing one if it supported SONAR.
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Re: Slate Media Technology Raven MTi2 Control Surface
2016/10/24 14:17:26
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It would be NICE if the bakers worked with Slate to get Sonar supported.... looks awesome!
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Re: Slate Media Technology Raven MTi2 Control Surface
2016/10/24 14:26:45
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The good news is that 999.00 would probably get you a nice touchscreen monitor, that would work with Sonar, if it's the touchscreen capability that you are interested in. I've seen a few threads on the forum from people using touchscreen monitors with Sonar. Possibly even the Slate monitor would work with Sonar, it's just not yet supported.
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Re: Slate Media Technology Raven MTi2 Control Surface
2016/10/24 14:38:08
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2016/10/24 17:56:13
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It would be NICE if the bakers worked with Slate to get Sonar supported.... looks awesome!
It looks questionably expensive... so I have tried to understand what it is. Anyone is welcome to prove me wrong, but from what I could find: 1) good quality big monitor (small update time) with good quality multi-touch (may be with special software for that multi-touch to make it more "smooth" that build-in Windows driver, but that is unclear) 2) nice graphic, well done reaction on operating it with fingers 3) control surface plug-ins for supported DAW, with relatively sophisticated logic So: a) since Sonar support multi-touch internally, benefits for mixing are questionable b) it is still "a control surface", so it can only display/operate what DAW Control Surface API provides My conclusion: rather questionable solution for Sonar vs Sonar itself.
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Re: Slate Media Technology Raven MTi2 Control Surface
2016/10/24 15:13:19
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The good news is that 999.00 would probably get you a nice touchscreen monitor, that would work with Sonar, if it's the touchscreen capability that you are interested in. I've seen a few threads on the forum from people using touchscreen monitors with Sonar. Possibly even the Slate monitor would work with Sonar, it's just not yet supported.
Dave is correct. Just buy a multi touch monitor and take the base off. It works similarly, I've done it. For some reason though, I didn't like it. I need 3 d control surface. Maybe it's just my eyes being OLD, but I prefer the x touch.
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Re: Slate Media Technology Raven MTi2 Control Surface
2016/10/24 16:11:24
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I've collaborated in a few big $ studios where they had them (sometimes several) and I've never seen the engineer actually use them. When I asked how they felt about them the answer was invariably "meh..."
A thousand bucks can get you a lot of nice stuff.
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Re: Slate Media Technology Raven MTi2 Control Surface
2016/10/24 17:59:36
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I spent some time looking at this and wondering what it offered a "conventional" multi-touch monitor doesn't as well.
My conclusion is that it basically doesn't offer any advantages at all. Why have, for example, the console view presented on a touch-screen controller application (plus iLok) when you can display the console view on a touch screen for less money and have better future-proofing with iLok and no third party controller application involved?
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Re: Slate Media Technology Raven MTi2 Control Surface
2016/10/24 18:07:40
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I suppose it depends on how well the "normal" DAW console is optimized for touch. Nevertheless, like I said, everyone I spoke to who had one got it because it seemed a great idea but didn't actually use it.
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Re: Slate Media Technology Raven MTi2 Control Surface
2016/10/25 03:01:51
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My conclusion is that it basically doesn't offer any advantages at all. Why have, for example, the console view presented on a touch-screen controller application (plus iLok) when you can display the console view on a touch screen for less money and have better future-proofing with iLok and no third party controller application involved?
That is an "independent" interface. A kind of alternative theme, where you can change not only colors but also elements placement, appearances, behavior. So they have made own versions of several DAWs interfaces. In respect to Sonar, technically speaking that is AZ Controller + Lemur on a big display. But making usable configuration is separate, time consuming job. Like you take some game engine and existing rules and try to make your own game. It is wrong to underestimate what they have done to make it running. But from what I see in the Internet, best people they have are working in the marketing team: it does not matter someone use it, they have paid for it and so the mission is accomplished. Just imagine you will see Sonar in every studio (may be not in use), that will change "ALL major DAWS" definition (also on Raven page) 
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Re: Slate Media Technology Raven MTi2 Control Surface
2016/10/25 09:14:51
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For what it is worth, a major studio (Pro Tools) I use had one for a while. The engineer got rid of it for a physical controller. When I watched him work he didn't use it that much. Not much more than I do with my touchscreen for SONAR - many tasked still seemed better suited for the keyboard or mouse. As said above, touch, which seems so natural, is actually not a natural solution to many tasks and takes a lot of programming to figure out how best to use it. Then you have to re-train users to do tasks another way. How do you do a natural, mouse like double-click on a touch screen. It takes me a couple of times just to open SONAR via touch - first the icon does a check, then you can double-click.
In defense, Slate talks about touch speed and response, the software overlay, etc. I'm sure there are people that love it and my engineer friend kept his for over a year, so it isn't a useless investment. It is just that I'd prefer on off-the-shelf $500 27-inch touch and save the extra cash.
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