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2016/10/26 00:43:35 (permalink)

Plugins Crashing Sonar in Windows 10

Since I started using Sonar Platinum on Windows 10 I've had a lot of Sonar crashs, systematically crashes, and errors along with certain plugins not working or working right.

I also see a lot of other users reporting crashes.

Can't help but wonder if Windows 10 is the culpret.
post edited by soens - 2016/10/28 16:11:32
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Re: Plugins Crashing Sonar 2016/10/26 01:37:17 (permalink)
I have been on Windows 10 for well over a year and I would say it is the most stable system I have ever had. 
 
I think you need to provide more details about your projects along with the spec of you machine and then some one on here might be able to help you.  

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Re: Plugins Crashing Sonar 2016/10/26 01:49:34 (permalink)
Giving us a lot more information about your machines specifications (Ram, CPU, driver mode etc) and which plugins would go along way.  Also, are you using all 64bit plugins, (if you're running Windows 10 64bit)?

I am sure there are plenty of people here who have the latest Sonar Platinum with Windows 10 who have had no issues what-so-ever.

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Re: Plugins Crashing Sonar 2016/10/26 04:27:59 (permalink)
My crashes are so many & varied that a detailed description of each and every one would be impossible before the lifetime updates ran out. :) However, at least 2 of them were sent to Cakewalk thru the automated crash dump system.

Some crash Sonar.
Some crash Windows.
Some plugs don't work.
Some plugs fail to register tho they are registered.

Before windows 10 I had no such crashes, Not this many or so frequently. Most are likely a problem with win10 & plugins not getting along.

Then again, I could have a bad memory chip.
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Re: Plugins Crashing Sonar 2016/10/26 05:08:43 (permalink)
do you have a win7/win8 full backup you could roll back to? if so, I'd back up the current win10 state (to have the latest version backed up), roll back to win 7/8 to see if it was indeed more stable (if not, it is clearly a hardware problem, some component gone south) ... if it works stable on win7/8 consider going through the upgrade process one more time to basically reinstall all of win10 to rule out that something went wrong there ...

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Re: Plugins Crashing Sonar 2016/10/26 05:32:17 (permalink)
Are you running a "clean"win 10  installation on your system ?
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Re: Plugins Crashing Sonar 2016/10/26 06:18:20 (permalink)
It's a new laptop with win10 preinstalled so I have nothing to roll back to.
 
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Re: Plugins Crashing Sonar 2016/10/26 07:09:40 (permalink)
what about your soundcard ? are you using the SoundBlaster 3Di ?
if so have you checked for an update ? I don't condone using onboard soundcard at all but if you are,
make sure you have the latest version/update.

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Re: Plugins Crashing Sonar 2016/10/26 09:26:38 (permalink)
I've been having plenty of Windows 10 issues...
...and I just did the upgrade from Win7 Pro x64 to Win 10 Pro x64 - not a clean install.

Most of the issues are driver related.
Some crashes point to the Universal Audio plugins.

Are the plugins you refer to from UA by chance?

On UA's support site, they are recommending that you do NOT update to Win 10 Anniversary, as
their drivers do not comply with the latest Windows 10 updates...
...go figure.

Would have been nice to know before Microsoft was kind enough to do the update anyway...

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Re: Plugins Crashing Sonar 2016/10/26 13:14:17 (permalink)
I have crashes when:
 
I mix some 32-bit plugins with 64bit plugins. I'm on Windows 10 x64. Solution: replace all free 32bit effects with 64bit effects...
 
I try to do something with an altered audio clip before I bounce it to finalize the changes (particularly when stretching audio, sometimes if I process a clip with an effect, often when using region effects.) Solution: remember to bounce audio clips, more easily said than done.
 
A background process like an antivirus program starts doing something, or I open a browser window that wants to share my sound device. Solution: disable my network adapter and antivirus when working on a big project.
 

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Re: Plugins Crashing Sonar 2016/10/26 14:05:38 (permalink)
Very good advice Sir Hammer - thank you.

Though, I've tried all that (not much in the way of 32-bit plugins left here) and the system still crashes...

This next project I intend to use no UA plugins to see how it goes.

Maybe UA will update their drivers in the mean-time...!

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Re: Plugins Crashing Sonar 2016/10/26 18:56:07 (permalink)
soens
It's a new laptop with win10 preinstalled so I have nothing to roll back to.
 
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Are you running 2 video devices ?
if so I recommend to disable one of that.
 
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Re: Plugins Crashing Sonar 2016/10/26 19:20:27 (permalink)
I'm doing that now & will see if it makes a difference.
 
Factory plugs
Some n-Track plugs
Some Overtones
No UA plugs
 
I don't use the onboard sound tho I'm sure there's nothing wrong with it. I use a MOTU audo express or a behringer ufx1204usb which sometimes won't load all the way. It will show up in the sound device window with no meters and no sound tho windows says its working properly. Behringer drivers aren't the best.
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Re: Plugins Crashing Sonar 2016/10/27 04:33:04 (permalink)
Another cause on some systems for issues 
have been disabled  onboard sound chips.
 
good luck
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Plugins Crashing Sonar 2016/10/27 04:41:27 (permalink)
I saw some blue screens (watchdog) in Sonar on win10 due to bad usb cable, so..
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Re: Plugins Crashing Sonar 2016/10/27 08:49:54 (permalink)
Several months ago, U-he announced that, while they were releasing VST3 editions of their plug-ins, it was recommended that the VST2 were more stable. I did find this to be the case (although recently I haven't noticed a difference.) I wonder if this may have some impact on what you're seeing?

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Re: Plugins Crashing Sonar 2016/10/27 11:17:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby seriousfun 2016/10/27 23:09:32
FWIW, UA sent a response stating that they should be releasing their new Windows 10 drivers next Thursday. (November 3rd.)

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Re: Plugins Crashing Sonar 2016/10/28 14:12:14 (permalink)
Yellowtools Engine is causing a lot of crashing in my setup.
Win 10 64 bit,  Sonar Plat Pro.
If you can get your project to load, then either freeze the dodgy plugin or bounce it to an audio track, then delete it.
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Re: Plugins Crashing Sonar 2016/10/28 16:14:17 (permalink)
Updated title to reflect windows 10 influence. I've never had these issues in windows 7 and never used windows 8.
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