Red Zone

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2016/10/30 12:04:00 (permalink)

Red Zone

Hi Everyone,
 
This is my first posting of a track here. It's a Rock Guitar instrumental inspired by walking the streets in Hells Kitchen NYC. Would love any feedback or suggestions. Many thanks and as always,
 
Yours in Music,
Rip
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    ABull
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    Re: Red Zone 2016/10/30 19:37:36 (permalink)
    Hey Rip, ...this has a great feel to it.  It's wonderfully arranged and mixed.  Your guitar playing has terrific tone & I really like your lines.  (My minor nit is that on the coda I kept expecting some searing guitar.)  This piece kept my attention throughout -- one of the best guitar pieces I've heard on this forum in quite awhile !!
     
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    Re: Red Zone 2016/10/30 20:29:52 (permalink)
    Thanks Allan. Glad you enjoyed and I really appreciate your taking the time to give me some feedback. 

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    Re: Red Zone 2016/10/30 21:21:28 (permalink)
    The guitar sounds great!  I have a question:  do you plan out in your mind a map of where you're going to take the song before you record ( i mean the solo) or do you improvise on the spot?
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    Re: Red Zone 2016/10/30 21:38:15 (permalink)
    Hey, Rip,
     
    Dynamite guitar work, brother!
     
    Excellent playing, great guitar tone, lots of cool, emotive melodies, and a nice full sounding, punchy mix!
     
    Really good stuff, and welcome to the Songs Forum!
     
    Have a good one!
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    Re: Red Zone 2016/10/31 05:06:07 (permalink)
    Really nice guitar playing. I mean... really nice. Love your tone, expression, musicality. And I really like the tune.
     
    Since I'm a horn player, I'm not digging the horns too much. I'm totally nit-picking, and probably most people wouldn't notice. I like analog synth "horn" patches that don't try to sound like the real thing, but produce the vibe with that fat analog synth sound (think Van Halen's "Jump," even though that might not be the best example). And I like sampled horns done with wind controllers and filters that shape the tone (not just dynamics) in a realistic, musical way. I'm being picky 'cause I'm a sax player -- but imagine a sax player trying to play a guitar sample through an amp simulator and kinda, but not quite, getting it.
     
    I hope I don't sound to picky on the horns, but that's my thing. :-) Thanks for sharing!

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    Re: Red Zone 2016/10/31 09:56:53 (permalink)
    Nice track Ken! Good structure and melody. I would maybe drop the tribal toms now and again just to give the song some space. Otherwise, great job on this.
     
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    Re: Red Zone 2016/10/31 11:21:42 (permalink)
    Thanks for the feedback everyone. Very gratifying for it to be well received. 
     
    eph221
    The guitar sounds great!  I have a question:  do you plan out in your mind a map of where you're going to take the song before you record ( i mean the solo) or do you improvise on the spot?


    I composed the head riff. The rest is improved. I usually do a couple of passes and choose which take I prefer. I might use one take for one progression, another for the bridge etc. I don't comp in a section if I can avoid it. Rather just do another pass if I don't feel it's happening.
     
    hornplayer
     
    I hope I don't sound to picky on the horns, but that's my thing. :-) Thanks for sharing!


    Not nit picking at all hornplayer! I hear what your saying on the horns. Have great respect for what a live section can bring. Some good suggestions.
    Bob Oister
     
    Really good stuff, and welcome to the Songs Forum!
     

    Thank you Bob. Look forward to being a part of this great community.


    dcumpian
     I would maybe drop the tribal toms now and again just to give the song some space. 
     
    Regards,
    Dan


    Good point Dan. I might have to revisit that.
     
    Thanks everyone,
    Rip
     

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    Re: Red Zone 2016/10/31 15:55:32 (permalink)
    Rip - Must be pretty intense walking those streets. Really powerful track, great guitar playing (and I like that you didn't go over the top with it, as you obviously have the chops to do). There was no air in the room by the end of the piece, and I was gasping for breath.

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    Re: Red Zone 2016/10/31 17:35:28 (permalink)
    That's very kind of you Larry. I do love these streets. Very intense and yet still a great neighborhood with some amazing people. 

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    Re: Red Zone 2016/10/31 21:28:44 (permalink)
    Well, the guitar playing is excellent, and the guitar tones are excellent. So that's waay cool right there. 
     
    I appreciated the horn swells - some of the horn hits come in a bit early sometimes?
     
    The #1 comment I would make is a question - once you establish the big drums in the first twenty seconds, do you drop them a bit in volume after that? I think you should - it would let the guitar work shine, and it really is fine guitar work.
     
    The entire song, I'm trying to reach for the drum fader to turn them down a little, so I can hear the guitars! Right now they are competing, instead of drums supporting the guitars.
     
    Nice tune, nice skills, not-so-nice streets? They sound pretty cool to me.
     
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    Re: Red Zone 2016/11/01 11:04:39 (permalink)
    First off Rip, welcome to the forum.  Thanks for making your debut with this terrific, driving guitar piece.  Really nice playing there.  My only suggestion would be to back off the heavy percussion some to give the rest of the track a little more room to work.
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    Re: Red Zone 2016/11/01 12:17:39 (permalink)
    Thanks Tom and Phil. Will take another look at the drums and percussion. Dan also mentioned pulling the toms in spots. Great ears guys and thanks for the suggestions. Very much appreciated!

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    Re: Red Zone 2016/11/01 14:54:02 (permalink)
    Welcome some nice playing on this have to agree that backing the drums off would work well, possibly even a breakdown section to expose that guitar tone.
     
    Thanks for sharing.

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    Re: Red Zone 2016/11/01 15:16:38 (permalink)
    Thank you Wookiee. Great to have so many knowledgeable people giving their feedback. It can be difficult to hear all the nuances when you're so close to a project and the insights given here has been a great help to me.  
     
    *edited for spelling
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    Re: Red Zone 2016/11/01 20:04:00 (permalink)
    Welcome to the forum!  Excellent number with some great chops.  I agree with the above comments concerning the drums.  They do compete a bit with the guitar in places.
     
    Nice one!!
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    Re: Red Zone 2016/11/01 23:02:45 (permalink)
    Thanks Freddy.

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    Re: Red Zone 2016/11/02 15:09:11 (permalink)
    Great tune, I really enjoyed it.  The groove/main hook is big and catchy.  The lead guitar lines are plowing along yet still sound a bit relaxed, which aint easy to do!   
     
    Mix/arrangement-wise I agree with the above about adding some dynamics to the drums by having them back down in spots.   But personally, I would also add some presence to the lead guitar parts so they ride just a bit more above the powerful backing tracks - they deserve just a tad bit more IMO.  
     

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    Re: Red Zone 2016/11/02 17:19:21 (permalink)
    when I heard the opening riff I thought...Iron Maiden want their riff back! but after that turned into a very cool tune. Others have identified the main mix issues but i really enjoyed the piece, the horns are inspired to give it a different vibe.

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    Re: Red Zone 2016/11/04 01:48:43 (permalink)
    Yeah, I'm enjoying this too. A nice instrumental piece. Not a big fan of brass in rock tunes but they are not a turn off either.
     
    How did you produce this? Sounds like a recorded band but there's so much great stuff you can do "in the box" now that you just never know for sure. The guitar is obviously proper guitar, so did you mic up your amp or DI?
     
    Purple Sneakers was a fun ditty
     
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    Re: Red Zone 2016/11/10 04:11:33 (permalink)
    Hi Andy,
    Thank you and I'm glad you enjoyed. 
    The Drums were a combination of EZDrummer and some patterns from the NI Abbey Road Kit triggered by Machine. The horns and piano were also NI. The guitars are a Les Paul Studio, DI through the old POD. The bass was a Squier Jazz 5 string DI through a Fender Rumble 150.  
     
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    when I heard the opening riff I thought...Iron Maiden want their riff back! 


     lol. I actually got to hang with Maiden waaaaayyyy back when they came to L'Amour in Brooklyn. IIRC it was a TT Quick show.


     

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    Re: Red Zone 2016/11/10 09:41:20 (permalink)
    Sweet.  Definitely reminds me of walking through a big city on a hot night.
     
    I have to agree with the horns though, they seem a little lackluster compared to the rest of the instruments' energy.  But I couldn't tell you how to make them punchier.  Having said that, it was the brass line that I was "bah-bah-bah' ing" after the song ended...
     
     

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    Re: Red Zone 2016/11/11 19:58:56 (permalink)
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    Having said that, it was the brass line that I was "bah-bah-bah' ing" after the song ended...
     
     


    I can't get the image of a sheep horn section bah-bah-bah' ing out of my head! Perhaps for the video.

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