Hide track view automation lines

So if I use the console faders to record some volume automation moves on certain parts of tracks, is there a way I can hide what gets produced on the clip in the track view...? It's very distracting with those long lines that run the whole length of the clips unless and until I need to bring them back into view for some reason...

Although I've never wished I could completely hide automation envelopes, I recently learned that you can actually do it by disabling View -> Display -> Display Ghosted Data in the Track view.

just change the track filter to: Clips. you can barely see them (when they are ghosted).
 

guitz
I'm not seeing that....are you talking about 'View' on the menu bar or..?

 
In the TV menu tabs.
(Look at Sir Jonesey's photos= its the greyish/black bar with white lettering)

Keep in mind that when/if you simply open automation lanes, that a volume envelope is automatically created.
This will defeat any static changes you try to make to volume with any of the faders or sliders.
It's a bug in my mind.

I see it as time-saver. Most of the time when I want to open an automation lane, it's to do Volume so I'm glad that's the default.
 
Bottom line is if you don't want to start working with automation, don't tell SONAR that you want to start working with automation.  There's no need to open up automation lanes to see if any automation is present; the status of the show/hide button tells you.

chuckebaby

timidi
Keep in mind that when/if you simply open automation lanes, that a volume envelope is automatically created.
This will defeat any static changes you try to make to volume with any of the faders or sliders.
It's a bug in my mind.

 im sorry... did you say a bug ?
why else would you press that automation lane button (to open a lane) ?

Well, for one, to automate a reverb send. 

 
if it's not a "bug", then it's just a stupid idea.
 
If I open the automation lanes to work on a pan envelope (that I created) and adjust the delay send (that I created) and maybe pull down the threshold a little in the chorus on the compressor envelope (that I created) why should I always have to look out for and remove a rogue volume envelope (that I didn't create). If I don't remove it, any adjustment I make to volume using the fader will not work. 
 
Actually, probably the volume faders and sliders should override the volume envelope, not the other way around. So that once an envelope is created (or not), the faders and sliders work in a sort of offset mode moving the envelope (and nodes) globally.

timidi
 
if it's not a "bug", then it's just a stupid idea.
 
If I open the automation lanes to work on a pan envelope (that I created) and adjust the delay send (that I created) and maybe pull down the threshold a little in the chorus on the compressor envelope (that I created) why should I always have to look out for and remove a rogue volume envelope (that I didn't create). If I don't remove it, any adjustment I make to volume using the fader will not work. 

 
If you start your automation by right-clicking the control you want to automate, and choose Write enable you won't run into this. Incidentally, and this sort of addresses the comment made by icontakt above, if you choose to use the "-" control to "Remove Automation Lane" on a virgin envelope, it will do just that, remove it completely. It's only when at least one additional node is added that the Lane is removed but the envelope reverts to it's ghosted state in the parent track.
 

Actually, probably the volume faders and sliders should override the volume envelope, not the other way around. So that once an envelope is created (or not), the faders and sliders work in a sort of offset mode moving the envelope (and nodes) globally.

I could not disagree more strongly. What would happen to all/any subsequent level changes the envelope is attempting to write? Does the fader revert to the envelope position once you finish touching it? Or does it stay where it is and offset every subsequent node. Not only would this be  a bugger to program, I can see users getting into a right mess trying to work out what's going on.
Don't forget, you do have several options when using the faders to automate - Touch, Overwrite & Latch. And you have Offset Mode for affecting an entire envelope.
 

timidi

chuckebaby

timidi
Keep in mind that when/if you simply open automation lanes, that a volume envelope is automatically created.
This will defeat any static changes you try to make to volume with any of the faders or sliders.
It's a bug in my mind.

 im sorry... did you say a bug ?
why else would you press that automation lane button (to open a lane) ?

Well, for one, to automate a reverb send. 

Then simply change the automation filter to a reverb send. it will not effect your Volume at all.
and if you do happen to hit a lane by accident, Click the (-) Minus button in the lane and your back to where you were. no harm done.
 
Is not possible to have a lane open without an assignment of some kind.
there's a reason you open a lane. don't you think ?
Like I said, even if its an accident, takes literally 1 click to rectify the mistake. (by clicking the minus button).