will Sonar 6 CWB files open in the latest sonar? (upgrade question)

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will Sonar 6 CWB files open in the latest sonar? (upgrade question)

i have 14 projects in the works, all at once,
and i'm considering doing my DAW upgrade now.
 
problem is, i don't want to upgrade now unless i can seamlessly (minus plug-ins, of course) blend the old projects over into the new DAW.
 
 

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    Re: will Sonar 6 CWB files open in the latest sonar? (upgrade question) 2016/11/09 15:47:21 (permalink)
    Hi. I did not have SONAR 6, but I recently opened .cwb files made in SONAR 2 without any issues other than a few missing plugins.
    All the best.

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    Re: will Sonar 6 CWB files open in the latest sonar? (upgrade question) 2016/11/09 16:28:52 (permalink)
    that's a good sign for my situation, thanks!
     

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    Re: will Sonar 6 CWB files open in the latest sonar? (upgrade question) 2016/11/09 16:47:02 (permalink)
    batsbrew
    i have 14 projects in the works, all at once,
    and i'm considering doing my DAW upgrade now.
     
    problem is, i don't want to upgrade now unless i can seamlessly (minus plug-ins, of course) blend the old projects over into the new DAW.
     
     




    Hi Gonzo ,
     
    Yes , you should be good to go once you do your upgrade .....
     
    As you mentioned , yes there will be a missing plug / synth dialog box to address ....
     
    I have noticed that Dimension Pro from 6 PE comes up MIA as far as loading and it will be included as MIA in the dialog box  in my Splat projects ..
    It may be due to the fact that I was running 6 PE in XP 32 bit and the Dimension Pro that comes in the later versions of SONAR may have totally different pathways VIA it's installation / 64 bit structure ...
    I'm sure if one of the developers read this they may have the correct answer ...
    In my case when confronted w that issue I clear the decks and put in a new instance of Dimension Pro and hunt for the patch I used   (usually I find a better patch anyway since I bought some expansions )
     
    When certain 6 PE projects from " the days of old " are being opened up in Splat I noticed there was a dialog box would that come up and tell me that I was using The Soniutus sp ? EQ when I went / wanted  to switch over to the Pro Channel EQ ...
     
    IIRC , it asked me to hit shift when I went to close the dialog box to use the Pro Channel EQ ...
     
    Once again ,  I'm sure if one of the developers read this they may have the correct answer as to why this is so ...
     
    In any event , I wish you the best of Luck  during your transition ...
    You have always made some nice sounds .
     
    all the best,
     
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    Re: will Sonar 6 CWB files open in the latest sonar? (upgrade question) 2016/11/09 18:14:42 (permalink)
    Don't uninstall Sonar 6. You can still revert back to it for projects that don't behave in the new version. I have a lot of old projects that were initially created in Sonar 6 and developed further in Sonar 7. Although they all open in Sonar X3 without any issues and seem to playback ok at first, they usually crash after a few minutes.

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    Re: will Sonar 6 CWB files open in the latest sonar? (upgrade question) 2016/11/09 22:37:11 (permalink)
    +1 to above info. And if it's a whole new system I think You can still install Sonar 6 into the latest windows. 
    I would not use Bundle files,,, I would save them as CWP for sure as well
    No proof but you will see more posts with people having issues when trying to open old CWB files as appose to CWP fles. 
    And I also recommend saving all projects as a MID file as well. MID files will always open and often represent a lot of work that goes into drum parts. We can always play the guitar parts again and probably better :) 
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    Re: will Sonar 6 CWB files open in the latest sonar? (upgrade question) 2016/11/10 10:02:14 (permalink)
    Cakewalk has always gone out of their way to preserve backward compatibility. I have never had a problem going from one version to the next, so I wouldn't be worried.
     
    And of course your guarantee, your insurance, is to install 6PE on the new DAW. You'll always be able to fall back to it in a pinch, plus you'll retain any SONAR-bundled plugins that have been dropped since version 6 (e.g. Pantheon, Vintage Channel).
     
    More likely, your biggest headaches will result from the hardware change.
     
    If you followed any nonstandard conventions when installing third-party software on your old DAW, be sure to stick to them when re-installing on the new machine. That's not always as easy as it sounds. Kontakt in particular will be a PIA if, for example, you add an SSD for virtual instruments and it has a different drive letter than where the libraries lived on the old DAW. 
     
    New hardware also means many of your third-party licenses will be invalidated. In some cases that can require de-activating your existing license and then re-authorizing. That can be time-consuming if you have a lot of third-party software, and it might be months before you find them all.
     
     
     
     
     


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    Re: will Sonar 6 CWB files open in the latest sonar? (upgrade question) 2016/11/10 12:18:27 (permalink)
    i think the ONLY thing i have 3rd party is Toontracks.
     
    and my old daw is never connected,
    so all updates have to have been done via a thumbdrive,
    which has made for a super stable DAW,
    but a real pain in the kiester for updates....
     
    i don't know what a MID file is....
     
    and usually, once i'm through with a project, i bounce any MIDI data to audio (drum tracks is all i ever have that's not straight up audio to start with)
     
     
    CWP, check.
     

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    Re: will Sonar 6 CWB files open in the latest sonar? (upgrade question) 2016/11/10 14:58:26 (permalink)
    The thing your going to hate the most is dealing with W10. I hate it because very time I try and get any work done it is yet again updating,,, ya, updating 100 apps I'll never use.... And once it's done you often have to re set your preferences and re authorize things like AD2.  
    My wife hates it as well. She want's me to re install W7.   I use windows 7 at work where the IT guy's say they have no plans to upgrade, why would we they say.. W10 is not a good system for huge networks. 
    If you can get your hands on a copy of W7 I bet you'll be much happier.... 
    I think it will be supported until 2020. 
     

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    Re: will Sonar 6 CWB files open in the latest sonar? (upgrade question) 2016/11/10 16:54:18 (permalink)
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    The thing your going to hate the most is dealing with W10. I hate it because very time I try and get any work done it is yet again updating,,, ya, updating 100 apps I'll never use.... And once it's done you often have to re set your preferences and re authorize things like AD2.  
    My wife hates it as well. She want's me to re install W7.   I use windows 7 at work where the IT guy's say they have no plans to upgrade, why would we they say.. W10 is not a good system for huge networks. 
    If you can get your hands on a copy of W7 I bet you'll be much happier.... 
    I think it will be supported until 2020. 
     


    Reminds me of walking in to a DR's office and you notice they are still running Windows XP

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    Re: will Sonar 6 CWB files open in the latest sonar? (upgrade question) 2016/11/10 18:53:32 (permalink)
    Pre Pro Chanel, Sonar used to have its own EQ which was at some time upgraded to the Sonitus Eq for versions of Sonar that didn't have Pro Channel.
    This meant that for backward compatibility, the Sonitus Eq was used instead of the default and lesser capable standard Sonar Eq.
     

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    Re: will Sonar 6 CWB files open in the latest sonar? (upgrade question) 2016/11/10 20:29:10 (permalink)
    chuckebaby
     
    Reminds me of walking in to a DR's office and you notice they are still running Windows XP


    And that's probably not by accident. It's not like they're averse to upgrades, at least not for medical equipment (or the cars they drive, or the golf clubs they own). But a dentist doesn't have to worry that the drill he used yesterday might not work today because gremlins snuck in during the night and swapped it for a new model.


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    Re: will Sonar 6 CWB files open in the latest sonar? (upgrade question) 2016/11/10 20:39:13 (permalink)
    I had an issue when opening Sonar X1 sessions on Sonar Platinum... The output of individual tracks were playing out at a lower volume than they should be. There were no Offset mode volumes. Once I turned the input Gain knobs off 0dB and back again, it reset the tracks to their correct volume and stayed that way after re saving the new project. Must be a bug.

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    Re: will Sonar 6 CWB files open in the latest sonar? (upgrade question) 2016/11/10 23:52:35 (permalink)
    The reason the big network users like where I work at a huge Health Athourity with probably 10,000 computers with very personal and confidential info stashed stay with older OS systems is the techs are 99.8% in control, not Micro soft. My wife ran a Dentist office for 30 years and was one of the first to use specialised software to manage the the charting, scheduling and billing. They stayed XP for at least 3 years into W7. It took the software developer a while to write all that new code for W7.  They are still W7 because the software only runs on that. Upgrades cost $$$$$$$$ and even Dentists can't blow all thier money on software.  
    The healthcare Authorities have the same issue and just like us it's compatibility with hardware, software and specialised drivers for medical equipment.   
    So when you saw the Doctors office running XP , it was not because they are lazy and out of date. It is because OS upgrades are not possible unless 100's of other pieces of equipment, software and ?? are also updated. 
     
    W10 was a move towards the idiots in the mass market consumer world of Facebook,useless apps and cell phones, it was never designed for business. And for me, not for DAW's either....
     
     

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    Re: will Sonar 6 CWB files open in the latest sonar? (upgrade question) 2016/11/11 14:30:39 (permalink)
    I'll tell you the issues I've had, bats...and you can just keep these in your back pocket.
     
    For starters, definitely put Sonar 6 on the new machine. It's such a small fingerprint, it's worth it to have just in case, like the others have mentioned to you. Plus, you will have all those old faithful plugs that you will NOT have on the newer Sonar.
     
    Next, go into plugin manager in Sonar 6 and export all your custom plugin saves you may have. You will be able to easily import them all back in and have them if you need them. I have several "good starting point" plug saves that I use religiously. I'd really miss them if they weren't there. You can do this if you use DX plugs as well. You'll see an export option in plug manager and an option that allows you to see what saves are literally in that plug menu. It's pretty cool.
     
    If you are an embedded, per channel Sonitus user, you're pretty screwed. The pro channel change and backwards compatibility are a bit tricky and I hated that whole thing. Though there was probably no other way the baker's could have done this, it's always something that has bothered me. Clicking on the grid sometimes alters your settings in the Sonitus....you know how you double click to see the plug on the channel? That's what I'm talking about.
     
    When you double click, it can alter the eq settings and you can't even see what you touched. Once you open the plug, if you didn't memorize the eq setting, you don't know what moved when you double clicked it. But you'll see the grid change so you know something changed. So any Sonitus eq stuff (the embedded Sonitus) will be a challenge. If you used Sonitus in the bins, you're fine.
     
    Waves: I've had quite a few issues due to updating Waves and them changing either CLSID numbers, (each plugin has a unique number like a license plate) or when I used the Sonar option "hide related VST 2 plugins" due to the implementation of VST 3. So you may be redoing a few things until you figure everything out. Other times, I've had no issues at all.
     
    Lastly, take notice to how your pan laws are set in Sonar 6. This has made quite a bit of difference for me with older projects. Currently, I have Sonar 8.5, X1, X2, X3 and Plat installed on my system. This way I can open old projects that were created in those versions if I really need to. But if you use the pan laws you had for Sonar 6, you'll have less of a chance things will be different. Then again, I believe Sonar has some new thing in it that knows what pan laws were used in an older project and may compensate or something. I know I read that somewhere, but do not know the full story there.
     
    The main issue you will have is anything you do in this new version, will not work as well in the old version should you need to go back. If I can think of anything else, I'll let you know. Good luck with everything!
     
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    Re: will Sonar 6 CWB files open in the latest sonar? (upgrade question) 2016/11/11 15:01:04 (permalink)
    all good insights...
     
    and danny, your suggestions are spot on for the way i run stuff...
    i'll have to do a lot of note taking before i open up in newer version,
    and just simply use new plugs for the ones that bugger up.
     
    and pan laws, good point.
     

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    Re: will Sonar 6 CWB files open in the latest sonar? (upgrade question) 2016/11/11 19:14:14 (permalink)
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    all good insights...
     
    and danny, your suggestions are spot on for the way i run stuff...
    i'll have to do a lot of note taking before i open up in newer version,
    and just simply use new plugs for the ones that bugger up.
     
    and pan laws, good point.
     




    Yeah if you have any issues or whatever, let me know. I have a feeling you an I run the software very similar...like a big tape machine without all the bells and whistles, right? LOL! I was perfectly happy with Sonar 8.5. If they didn't come out with so many more innovative things that I found both useful and less time consuming, I'd still be on 8.5. So I can relate with you staying on 6 for so long. When something works with this stuff...man, you stick with it as long as you can.
     
    I didn't do Windows 10 (which I may regret down the road) for free when I had the chance, but I'm done for if I have to sit around playing with drivers and software that won't work any longer. It's bad enough they get you for a new pc and a new operating system, then you need new software too and the learning curve and time spent is really insane. It makes you want to just buy a freaking reel to reel and get back to work! When you are used to getting your work done (whether it be you as an artist or in business) one of the most depressing things is to sit and tweak a computer to where the one you had before fired right up and worked the way it should.
     
    I look at computers and software like a bios update...you don't do it unless you absolutely have to. A well-oiled machine is just that....a well-oiled machine. HOWEVER......
     
    The new Sonar Platinum is an extraordinary piece of software. Once you learn where everything is and get used to it, you'll find your work flow will not only improve, but will get faster. Some things, you won't be down with because you will definitely need to change the way you think as well as the way you work. But once you get used to the things you HAVE to do, I think you'll be in much better shape. The good thing about you is...you don't need software or plugins to make you sound great. You got that part down. ;) It's learning all this stuff and sort of starting from scratch that will beat up on you at first. At least you have a few hundred brothers on here to help you out should you get stuck....so you're still in good shape. :)
     
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    Re: will Sonar 6 CWB files open in the latest sonar? (upgrade question) 2016/11/15 14:47:46 (permalink)
    yea, i've skipped a lot of upgrades for a very long period of time,
    and am all the happier for it!!
     
    but now, it's time to bite the bullet.
     

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