"Work It Out"

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2016/11/10 18:09:55 (permalink)

"Work It Out"

 

https://soundcloud.com/bats-brew/work-it-out

mixing this right now for a near future release
(or re-release would be more accurate!)
 

this is the original mix.....
 
any suggestions on tweaks?
i've already brought the drum track up, and have tweaked the snare in the new mix

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    Cactus Music
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    Re: "Work It Out" 2016/11/11 20:19:47 (permalink)
    As always the playing is over the top! Ya, that snare?? It comes across maybe just a tad to tight, as in tuned up tight, which I actually like most of the time but somehow it's just not sitting there right, not in your face, it's in the back. But I'm just using computer speakers in my office which suck but they do tell the truth to a point cause I listen to them a lot just MP3 stuff. 
     

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    Re: "Work It Out" 2016/11/13 09:16:23 (permalink)
    Phenomenal guitar playing!  I love how all your pieces have such forward momentum.  It's something one only sees in the greatest composers (beethoven, brahms for instance.) This is when music takes you from here to there. Good luck with it!
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    Re: "Work It Out" 2016/11/13 12:13:33 (permalink)
    Love it. When I hear your guitar playing the word 'precision' comes to mind. So tightly played, great turnarounds, loads of good stuff packed into just 2 minutes!

     
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    Re: "Work It Out" 2016/11/13 16:33:55 (permalink)
    Excellent production.  Love the guitar work and the vibe.  I guess the one thing that comes to mind is to boost the upper frequencies of the kick a bit.  You can definitely feel the kick with headphones and good full range speakers, but when played on smaller speakers (like my laptop speakers) the kick disappears.  
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    Re: "Work It Out" 2016/11/13 21:38:28 (permalink)
    No nits here!  Great production and Excellent playing!!!
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    Re: "Work It Out" 2016/11/14 16:25:57 (permalink)
    Cactus Music
    As always the playing is over the top! Ya, that snare?? It comes across maybe just a tad to tight, as in tuned up tight, which I actually like most of the time but somehow it's just not sitting there right, not in your face, it's in the back. But I'm just using computer speakers in my office which suck but they do tell the truth to a point cause I listen to them a lot just MP3 stuff. 
     


    hey cactus!
    the snare is what it is, the drummer chose that drum and head and tuning based on his choice,
    so i'll have to work with it......
    so,
    eq on snare, check!!
    compression, check.
    possibly some room treatment....

    just last night,
    i applied the finishing touches to the snare,
    compression and eq, as well as level.


    i had tried running all the drums thru parallel compression,
    and even tho i could hear the effect well,
    and dial it in at any level via sends,
    it just felt....... clownphucked.


    so i got rid of that buss,
    all the sends,
    and instantly it was better, albeit a bit plain.


    i'm still on the fence with just how much room reverb to put on it, 
    the original track is bone dry.
    it almost sounds better with a delay on it, instead of verb.

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    Re: "Work It Out" 2016/11/15 10:05:04 (permalink)
    eph221
    Phenomenal guitar playing!  I love how all your pieces have such forward momentum.  It's something one only sees in the greatest composers (beethoven, brahms for instance.) This is when music takes you from here to there. Good luck with it!


    hi eph,
    forward momentum, yes
     
    very short momentum, but momentum!!
     
    LOL
     
    working on a new section at the front, to extend the piece, and introduce the melodies before it dives in

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    Re: "Work It Out" 2016/11/15 10:06:40 (permalink)
    jamesg1213
    Love it. When I hear your guitar playing the word 'precision' comes to mind. So tightly played, great turnarounds, loads of good stuff packed into just 2 minutes!


    hey james,
    you know, when i write this stuff, i usually play it 'precise' like you mention...
    but then when i'm ready to try to capture a 'performance', meaning, i'm gonna do a take from beginning to end without any punch ins (which i can do extremely well),  i don't worry about precision at all..
    more about vibe.
    and when you isolate tracks and listen, you can hear slop.
    pigs love it.
    LOL
     

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    Re: "Work It Out" 2016/11/15 10:09:17 (permalink)
    guitartrek
    Excellent production.  Love the guitar work and the vibe.  I guess the one thing that comes to mind is to boost the upper frequencies of the kick a bit.  You can definitely feel the kick with headphones and good full range speakers, but when played on smaller speakers (like my laptop speakers) the kick disappears.  


    hello guitartrek!
     
    i'm kinda on a guitar trek too......
     
    kick, upper freqs, check!
     
    i cloned a track of the kick...
    made the 1st one all low end with no fluff..
    and made the clone track be all attack with no bottom...
    blended those two together, and processes the low kick dry,
    but added some serious compression to the high kick,
    which increased it's sustain, and lets it kinda 'float' a bit, which makes it not so dead sounding.
     

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    Re: "Work It Out" 2016/11/15 10:09:37 (permalink)
    Freddy J
    No nits here!  Great production and Excellent playing!!!


    thanks for listening freddy, appreciate it!
     

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    Re: "Work It Out" 2016/11/15 12:24:01 (permalink)
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    eph221
    Phenomenal guitar playing!  I love how all your pieces have such forward momentum.  It's something one only sees in the greatest composers (beethoven, brahms for instance.) This is when music takes you from here to there. Good luck with it!


    hi eph,
    forward momentum, yes
     
    very short momentum, but momentum!!
     
    LOL
     
    working on a new section at the front, to extend the piece, and introduce the melodies before it dives in




    That's where the genius kicks in..sustaining it through a 20 minute movement.  You should take a swing at it.  Have you written any symphonic stuff? :D:D
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    Re: "Work It Out" 2016/11/15 12:37:01 (permalink)
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    jamesg1213
    Love it. When I hear your guitar playing the word 'precision' comes to mind. So tightly played, great turnarounds, loads of good stuff packed into just 2 minutes!


    hey james,
    you know, when i write this stuff, i usually play it 'precise' like you mention...
    but then when i'm ready to try to capture a 'performance', meaning, i'm gonna do a take from beginning to end without any punch ins (which i can do extremely well),  i don't worry about precision at all..
    more about vibe.
    and when you isolate tracks and listen, you can hear slop.
    pigs love it.
    LOL
     




    I track my guitars that way too. I'll do dozens of 'run-throughs' to nail the part, then get to a point where I can 'play past' the piece and get some life into it. Then I also like to do the whole part without punch-ins. It's a pride thing  

     
    Jyemz
     
     
     



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    Re: "Work It Out" 2016/11/15 13:08:47 (permalink)
    jamesg1213
     
    I track my guitars that way too. I'll do dozens of 'run-throughs' to nail the part, then get to a point where I can 'play past' the piece and get some life into it. Then I also like to do the whole part without punch-ins. It's a pride thing  



    HEH...
    i get the 'pride' thing, i do..
     
    but i think it's really about getting something authentic, versus super worked out.
    i guess i just like the rock vibe (not perfect) more than the perfection of parts (dixie dregs, dream theatre, etc)
     
    i think the point of doing the dozens of run-throughs, isn't so much to learn the part well enough to let go of it while getting it recorded, but also to weed out the chaff.
     
    i have a grain silo full of chaff.
     
    LOL

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    Re: "Work It Out" 2016/11/15 13:12:40 (permalink)
    eph221
     
    That's where the genius kicks in..sustaining it through a 20 minute movement.  You should take a swing at it.  Have you written any symphonic stuff? :D:D




     
    yes.
    i did a project a few years back,
    with a band out of british columbia,  called "FALSE HARUSPEX"
     
    http://falseharuspex.aeriemonks.com/
     
     
    It is a one-hour long continuous instrumental,
    broken up into 13 unique sections.
     
    it did quite well!
     
    took me about 6 months to complete my parts (the solo guitar throughout)
     
    after i did my parts, the original group then added crunchy rhythm guitar parts, to augment my stuff,
    then added synth and voice on top of everything else once the arrangements were complete.
     
    i have many instrumentals that i rarely post,
    typically they are in the 5-8 minute range,
    instrumentalists typically really get off on them, and no one else does.
     


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    Re: "Work It Out" 2016/11/15 13:14:45 (permalink)
    It is gone, Bat you took it away.

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    Re: "Work It Out" 2016/11/15 13:26:38 (permalink)
    yea, it's toast

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    Re: "Work It Out" 2016/11/16 19:06:51 (permalink)
    I was going to say it's not loading up for me, but finally scrolled to the bottom to find toast.

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    Re: "Work It Out" 2016/11/16 20:17:02 (permalink)


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    Re: "Work It Out" 2016/11/17 10:57:53 (permalink)

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