How do you choose this EQ or that compressor

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How do you choose this EQ or that compressor

Or this delay or that reverb?  Sonar Platinum comes with over 70 Effects and ProChannel modules, and if you're like me, maybe you've purchased some other plugins along the way. 
For my part I tend to reach for the ones I've most recently picked up, but that's not very scientific.  It seems like it would be time consuming to try every option. 
How do you choose?  Do you have a set of "go to" tools you work from?  Do you have certain ones you like for bass, or vocals or guitars?
Mr. Anderton has pointed out that one could use just the Sonitus tools and get a good result.  What makes you choose something else? 
I have a ton of options to choose from, perhaps too many.  I know some must be better than others, but I'm having some trouble figuring which ones are best.
I'd be interested to hear how you choose what to use this over that.
 

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    The Grim
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    Re: How do you choose this EQ or that compressor 2016/11/11 23:11:03 (permalink)
    just through trial and error, hopefully not to much error, but by using your various options, over time you will know, get a feel that x plugin will suit x situation. let your ears decide, for example certain compressor might shine on the drums, or bass, while another will shine on vocals, eventually you get to know. then there is other influences, ease of use, cpu drain and on and on which may influence your choice. sometimes you may just try another option than your usual and really like it for that situation, it may even become your fav for a while. i have had a habit of just reaching for valhalla room reverb for guitar bus, recently just threw on rematrix, had a play around and found i liked that, not that it was better or worse, maybe just different, but at that time, the project, the mood i was in, whatever, it ousted my usual pick, variety is the spice of life they say, although to much choice can sometimes be a curse. that's just my thoughts anyway, ymmv
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    Re: How do you choose this EQ or that compressor 2016/11/11 23:11:37 (permalink)
    You will have to use the plugins you have and compare them with others to achieve the results you want.   
     
    For instance, select a compressor and compress a very dynamic vocal track.   Next, place another compressor on the same vocal track and dial in the same settings if possible.  See which plugin gives the the best results and tame the dynamics better.  To me, that would be a compressor to use in my arsenal until I run across a better compressor.

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    Re: How do you choose this EQ or that compressor 2016/11/12 07:20:08 (permalink)
    Learning which plugin is best for which instrument is a huge undertaking but I have found that if you will solo the track and step thru the different plugs you will find THE one that really does improve the feel and attitude and the sound of the track. Solo that strat track and listen to it by itself and you will clearly see the difference in what each plug does. To me, it is very hard to have all the tracks playing even in Dim mode and really hear what that plug is doing for each instrument.

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    Re: How do you choose this EQ or that compressor 2016/11/12 07:49:17 (permalink)
    Its not the tools its how you use them i discovered.
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    Re: How do you choose this EQ or that compressor 2016/11/12 08:30:41 (permalink)
    Hey Schwa,
    Choosing an effect all comes down to coloration.  Practically every DAW now come with effects that can easily make great sounding recordings using only what they come with.  The secret is in getting to know what each one does and determine what to use by the function you need it to do.  For example, find out which EQ you have can that can high pass tracks that don't need 80hz like overheads and use that.  Find which delay you can use as a slap that allows you to time to tempo.  Find which reverb has a great sounding Hall preset and use that on your Room bus.  Simplify and narrow your choices until you become more familiar with your system.  Then you can go crazy with outside plug ins.  
    I use onboard Sonar effects both through the ProChannel and inserts along with Waves, UBK, Slate, SoundToys and freeware on my productions and I'm still learning.
    I could suggest you look into a course like the ones offered on Groove3.com to learn more about effects and how they're used.
    Then the decision process becomes manifestly easier.

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    Re: How do you choose this EQ or that compressor 2016/11/12 08:50:08 (permalink)
    I don't think it matters all that much. There are some few plugins more suitable to certain use but most in my view are pretty interchangeable. A good example for this is the CA2A. It is a specialty plugin that is perfect for some things but not most things. I'm sure many will disagree though.
     
    I believe that its more about perception and not so much actual sonic difference. The GUI plays a role in this too.  I do recall that some years back a certain DAW had God awful plugins. They have since improved their bundled plugins. Sonar has been top drawer for including high quality plugins.   

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    Re: How do you choose this EQ or that compressor 2016/11/12 08:53:42 (permalink)
    My criteria, in order of importance...
     
    1. Ergonomics. I gravitate toward effects that are quick and easy to dial in. ValhallaDSP reverbs are a good example. Simple, functional interfaces that don't get in the way. Resizable UIs (e.g. Melda and Fabfilter) are a big plus. Knobs that respond to the mouse in intuitive ways. The ability to type in values. Controls that aren't hidden. Controls that are clearly labeled as to their purpose. Labels that aren't too small or low-contrast, that can be read in low light. No pink or lime green. 
     
    2. Functionality. If you're going to invest the time to deeply learn some piece of software, you want it to be versatile enough that you won't need to learn too many alternatives. Ozone, for example, is an all-in-one mastering tool so full-featured you don't need anything else. Pro-C does everything a compressor can be expected to do, and also satisfies requirement #1. One-trick ponies have a place, but they have to satisfy #1 or #3.
     
    3. Unique tricks. Sometimes an effect has an unusual capability or characteristic that makes it uniquely suited for a particular application. FabFilter Timeless isn't as simple to use as other delays, but its unique modulation features assure it a position on the first-string roster. Fabfilter Saturn isn't as versatile as other alternatives, but it has capabilities no other distortion plugin has. Meldaproduction's MSpectralDynamics does just one thing, so it fails #1 and #2. But that one thing that it does is special. 
     
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    Re: How do you choose this EQ or that compressor 2016/11/12 09:11:37 (permalink)
    Hi Schwa,
    One way to approach that question is to think about various fx, both hardware and software, the same way you think about microphones. For example, if you're micing up your D28 you could probably make it sound OK with your 57. I mean, enough time spent with positioning and then the right EQ and it'd probably be OK. But why? You have your SM-81's sitting right there. You've probably used them on Ac Git a million times. You don't have to spend time messing around with them, they just sound good. Now, do you use spaced or coincident pair? Well, if you think there's a reasonable chance of needing to collapse to mono, probably coincident, but beyond that, they have different sounds. You've probably mic'd up your Martin a ton, you know which mic setup gets you a particular result and that's the one you go with.
     
    Now, apply that to compressors - yesterday I was doing production on a vocal track. It was a male singer, not terribly bright sounding, doing a kind of funk song with fast lyrics. I could have gone with my TLA-100 (an LA2A-style compressor) or one of my 1176's. From a purely technical standpoint I knew that the TLA-100 was a bit too slow to handle the pace of the lyrics and the associated transients. From a sound standpoint the emphasis on the upper-mids from the 1176 sounded great. I could have probably gone with the TLA-100, and with some tweaking and whatnot it would have been OK, but the 1176 was right there, so may as well just use it and save the headache.
     
    For your question about "go-to" tools, the answer for me is "sort of". I have tools that I know and like for particular applications, and then another sort of general set of tools for general tasks. Again, back to the microphone analogy - imagine you have a guy coming in to record an instrument that you've never heard of....maybe a hurdy gurdy or something. You probably have one or two mics that, generally speaking, are pretty tough for stuff to sound bad on, so you slap those on some stands and start there. Maybe after you hear the first take you break out the SM-7 because you know it does a particular thing when used a particular way, and why mess around at that point? I think most folks get to a point, if they do it enough, that fx become sort of like that.
     
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    Re: How do you choose this EQ or that compressor 2016/11/12 10:04:46 (permalink)
    The QuadCurve's four different curves demonstrate how EQs can sound different depending on what they're designed to do. I've found the easiest way to evaluate EQs is to feed noise through them, and you'll hear the difference between, for example, what happens to Q as you change gain with different curves. I wrote a "Friday's Tip of the Week" (Week 59: Understanding the QuadCurve—Why Noise Is Your Friend) about using noise to help understand how EQ affects a sound.

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    Re: How do you choose this EQ or that compressor 2016/11/12 15:40:47 (permalink)
    sadly I think I tend to reach for those plug-ins I am most familiar with, and being a bit of a dinosaur, that means I tend to reach for emulations of the hardware I grew up with.

    There are exceptions to the dinosaur rule, of course, but familiarity is important.

    I know what Echoboy can do, I know how to use a Urei 1176 or dBX 160, and so on.

    I do try to spend time with new plugins, especially if the might offer capabilities I don't already have. It's always an eye opener, and sometimes a cool surprise awaits!

    The Cakewalk Transient Shaper, for example, does stuff the SPL version doesn't. I still use the SPL version most of the time, because I am familiar with it, but if I need to something more extreme then  I'll use the Cakewalk version.

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    Re: How do you choose this EQ or that compressor 2016/11/12 16:18:02 (permalink)
    Don't want to get into all these different preferences but to add on what WST3 stated, one must know how to use each tool and what makes one different than the other.  The only thing that can give you this knowledge is experience and some teaching from other sources (other engineers, the internet, books, other recordings, etc.).  But still, even with the teachings, experience is the only way to really understand your tools and what makes each one different.
     
    Understanding SOUND is also important... one of the many things that took me awhile to get my head around was you really can't add something that isn't there in the first place (with EQ) but you can take out some of which is there.  So, how you record the track is as important as how you mix the track.  And the other important thing about compression is how the attack and release work together and then how each unit has different characteristics. For example, you can compress the AIR out of a track without slamming the input gain easier and more effective on some compressors versus others. I would say that the 1176, DBX, LA2a and LA3a, Fairchild and a few other vintage compressors are easier to use and as such easier to gain experience before starting with the more advanced modern compressors like the MANLEY and the VSC. 
     
    Like most things, it is best to start with the basics and build upon your own knowledge.
     
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    Re: How do you choose this EQ or that compressor 2016/11/12 16:35:34 (permalink)
    Experience is the major part of it.  Over time as you try different plug-ins, you get a feel for how they affect the sound, how intuitively the controls respond to you, which types of tracks they work best on, etc..  There are no right answers and ultimately it comes down to personal preferences.  
     
    Take EQ for an example.  Some people love the visual aspect of EQs like QuadCurve where they can see the source frequency spectrum and the EQ curve and really micromanage the frequency response.  Others hate that level of detail and prefer stuff like the Blue Tubes EQs were you get some broader knobs for "Bass", "Treble", etc. and have to use your ears more to understand what the controls are doing.  The same distinction applies for compressors, delays, etc..  
     
    I advise trying to understand both approaches and don't be afraid to stack them.  For example, for distorted guitar tracks, I find something like the Blue Tubes Pulse-Tec EQs to be great for dialing in the meat of the track -- it's like having an amp tone stack available post-recording -- but I'll typically also use something like the QuadCurve in addition for surgically removing annoying frequencies, noise, etc..   
     
    Also, if you spend time on forums like this, reading books, watching instructional videos, etc., you'll pick up tips from others and their experiments.  Again, it's personal preference so a lot of it might not resonate with you but it is still nice for pointing you in the right direction ("Try plug-in X on Y style tracks!").
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    Re: How do you choose this EQ or that compressor 2016/11/12 17:06:56 (permalink)
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    Understanding SOUND is also important... one of the many things that took me awhile to get my head around was you really can't add something that isn't there in the first place (with EQ) but you can take out some of which is there.

    So true! Especially the part about you can't add what isn't there. You can subtract everything else to make it look like there is more energy in a specific band, but that's it! (Exciters can, in fact add, but that's a different topic<G>!)
     
    jimklebanSo, how you record the track is as important as how you mix the track.  

    That is the place to start! I was really fortunate that one of my mentors emphasized (over and over and over) the importance of microphone selection and placement. These two words were always used together, the microphone you selected affected the placement, or if you had limited place to position the microphone that would affect selection. Two sides of the same coin.

    Which make sense, but the thing that made his recordings remarkable was that he used selection and placement as the first stages of equalization and dynamics control. He would not reach for a knob until he had the microphone exactly where it needed to be. That lesson still sticks with me on those occasions when I am fortunate enough to record live players!
     
    The analog to that would be selection of synthesizers or sample libraries, and even specific patches. You don't have as much control (the developer made most of the decisions for you already), and it does get expensive, but that's what we have to work with when we turn to virtual instruments.
     
    jimklebanAnd the other important thing about compression is how the attack and release work together and then how each unit has different characteristics.

     
    Read the manuals, or look at the front panels!
     
    The Urei 1176, for example, has a fixed threshold, you determine the relationship between your signal and the threshold by adjusting the input level. Pretty cool really! First, it means you can use that input stage to color the sound, second, when one designs a compressor there are all sorts of trade-offs to be made (e.g. feed forward or feed back, variable gain or attenuation, and so on.) Choosing a fixed threshold left Mr. Putnam free to address some of the artifacts from earlier designs with different solutions. So the 1176 behaves quite differently than the dBX 160 because Mr. Putnam and Mr. Blackmer had very different approaches to the problem.

    When I use an 1176 I first "calibrate" it - habit I suppose, but I set it up for unity gain with some small degree of gain reduction, then I know what's going to happen when I spin various knobs or push buttons. I can, for example, increase the input level and decrease the output level to maintain unity gain through the device, but by doing so I'm also changing where  the input signal crosses the threshold.

    It isn't as easy to do that with the dBX 160, so my approach to that is to set the threshold to the maximum and set levels accordingly, then start to apply gain reduction by way of the variable threshold.
     
    That's where I suggest folks start, set the attack and release fast so the level changes are really audible and play with the threshold. Then start to play with attack and release times. Which is an entire topic in and of itself!
     
    Last thought for now - equalizers also have  quirks! The Valley People Maxi-Q placed the filters in parallel, while most other parametric equalizers place them in series. So they operate differently, believe it or not! One of my favorites, the Maag EQ4, has a band that exceeds the audible spectrum by a couple of octaves, it tends to sound really smooth. There are lots of little tricks like that!

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