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2016/11/12 19:23:48 (permalink)

Chopping Beats = Virtual Sampler or Groove Clips? esp. w/ Recycle

Hi there,
 
I've been a longtime Cakewalk user (since it was just midi!), and spent ~10 years (mid 1990s-mid 2000s) making beats w/ hardware samplers & external machines... but have since come back after a long break (mid-2000s to now) and am getting started again.
 
I know a popular answer to my kind of question will always be "whatever is better for your workflow"... but i'm interested in getting some feedback from people who have been doing lots more Beat-Creation purely 'in the box' on this question =
 
My drum-programming habit was always to take drum breaks off vinyl, chop them up in Recycle, and dump them to an external Akai sampler, where i'd program the beat in midi on the computer. 
 
However, doing that same process "in the box" (with software samplers) seems redundant to me, given that Sonar can read REX2 files directly, and import them as 'Groove Clips', which i have little experience with. 
 
Currently, i'm still doing something similar to what i've always done - chopping up breaks in Recycle, then dumping to Battery (native instruments drum sampler), and doing the pattern-editing in MIDI.
 
But i've been wondering - why bother with the sampler at all? Its occurring to me that the internal timing in the drum break is probably better-preserved by working directly with the audio-clips, rather than resequencing the pattern in MIDI, where things will get quantized.
 
Do people have any preferences for one over the other? are there still any advantages to doing things this way with a software sampler? or can drum-programming via Groove clips reduce system overhead, and provide better timing?
 
I'm sure someone has probably asked this question before, but my digging produced nothing.  Thanks to anyone who can provide any insight, or re-direct me to other threads.
 
Cheers,
ceo
 
 
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    SimpleManZ
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    Re: Chopping Beats = Virtual Sampler or Groove Clips? esp. w/ Recycle 2016/11/12 21:08:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby CEOUNICOM 2016/11/12 21:56:27
    In fact as matters, I use the method you describe with Battery.
    This way one can use the Piano-Roll-View(Staff-View or Event-List-View)to edit and see your patterns. You can also save these clips as its own Battery Kit.  
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    Re: Chopping Beats = Virtual Sampler or Groove Clips? esp. w/ Recycle 2016/11/12 21:25:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby CEOUNICOM 2016/11/12 21:57:04
    CEOUNICOM
    Thanks to anyone who can provide any insight, or re-direct me to other threads.



    I'm guessing you'll appreciate this recent Friday Tip of the Week.
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3505611
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    Re: Chopping Beats = Virtual Sampler or Groove Clips? esp. w/ Recycle 2016/11/12 22:04:28 (permalink)
    SimpleManZ
    In fact as matters, I use the method you describe with Battery.
    This way one can use the Piano-Roll-View(Staff-View or Event-List-View)to edit and see your patterns. You can also save these clips as its own Battery Kit.  




    Yes, the main reason i prefer using a software sampler as opposed to editing "groove-clipped" or warped audio is because i'm just much more fluid using the same-old Piano Roll editor.  I've used ableton and other platforms for beat-making, but im still just more comfortable with the midi-editing interface
     
    the problem i've had is figuring out what sort of midi snap-template i want to use; whether to quantize the chopped elements, or use the Recycle midi file as a groove-template. That's sort of why i was asking about other people's methods, because i think maybe the Groove-clip approach perhaps preserves some of that internal swing between chops.
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    Re: Chopping Beats = Virtual Sampler or Groove Clips? esp. w/ Recycle 2016/11/12 22:12:23 (permalink)
    Thanks! that's the sort of stuff i was looking for
    I know Sonar has its own version of a drum-sampler (cyclone); but i think the general approach applies to the Recycle/Battery approach.  I may try that method and see if the workflow is better/has benefits - it does suggest that you need to convert REX to 'groove clips' in the process, and i'm still not sure what the added format conversion offers, but i'll give it a whirl.
     
    *footnote = Amazing to see Craig Anderton still kicking it in online Forums here! i was reading his tips and tricks in magazines in the 1990s
     
     
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