Crashing since 22.11 Unrelated to CA-2A?

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2016/12/07 21:16:18 (permalink)

Crashing since 22.11 Unrelated to CA-2A?

Hello! Looking for help on where to start in tracking down my crashing issues since 22.11. I noticed many threads pointing to CA-2A being part of the issue and I expect the dev team to release a hotfix to whatever is causing the issue related to CA-2A. Thing is I'm having the same issues but I don't have the CA-2A installed.

I'm worried the hotfix wont address my issues specifically. So where do I start with minidumps et cetera? I have sent in fault reports in the rare instances that it pops up. I have a bunch of minidumps.
 
So far my only recourse has been to safe mode my projects and rebuild them synth by synth in a new project. It's a huge buzz kill and time sink. I have unhappy clients which makes me an unhappy camper but I have patience and hope this can resolved soonish.
 
So where do I start?
Thanks for any help.
 
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    bitman
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    Re: Crashing since 22.11 Unrelated to CA-2A? 2016/12/07 21:31:20 (permalink)
    Revert back to oct for now
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    Re: Crashing since 22.11 Unrelated to CA-2A? 2016/12/08 00:09:31 (permalink)
    bitman
    Revert back to oct for now


    Can anyone speak to this? I've seen mixed messages on the success of rolling back. I've personally attempted rolling back to 22.10 with no success.

    I'm kind of cautious about rolling back too far but if 22.09 is working I'll give it a try.
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    Re: Crashing since 22.11 Unrelated to CA-2A? 2016/12/08 00:47:21 (permalink)
    I have 22.09 on my other machine and it's all good, but I didn't roll back. I've seen quite a few other posts where this does not solve the current issues...may be risky.

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    Re: Crashing since 22.11 Unrelated to CA-2A? 2016/12/08 03:19:12 (permalink)
    You might as well try rolling back. You can always go forward again if it doesn't help. I have done it any times in the past wit out ussue.
     
    FWIW in the future I find it is good practice to take a disk image of the system drive (I use Acronis True Image) before applying updates. That way you can always return it to it's previous state if needed.

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    Re: Crashing since 22.11 Unrelated to CA-2A? 2016/12/08 08:26:02 (permalink)
    I tried rolling back but the crashing Persist. 
     

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    Re: Crashing since 22.11 Unrelated to CA-2A? 2016/12/08 09:40:01 (permalink)
    "FWIW in the future I find it is good practice to take a disk image of the system drive"
    Best advice!
    That being said, Win 7 here and no issues with "11" on the Cat or my x86 office rig.
     
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    Re: Crashing since 22.11 Unrelated to CA-2A? 2016/12/08 10:20:52 (permalink)
    DeeringAmps
    "FWIW in the future I find it is good practice to take a disk image of the system drive"
    Best advice!
    That being said, Win 7 here and no issues with "11" on the Cat or my x86 office rig.
     
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    Kind of makes you wonder if an automatic update of Window's 10 broke Sonar. This issue is occurring on my Desktop and laptop; both are running Window's 10. 



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    Re: Crashing since 22.11 Unrelated to CA-2A? 2016/12/08 11:17:10 (permalink)
    You are not alone with crashes unrelated to the ca-2a.  I have also sent in crash dumps.  I have only seen this with my laptop using the waspi driver mode on fully updated win10.  I am happy they are making improvements for this type of driver and look forward to a fix.  I understand there are many drivers to be verified and understand it will take time.  I did not update my main daw with the Nov. update and also recommend you roll back for now.

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    Re: Crashing since 22.11 Unrelated to CA-2A? 2016/12/08 11:24:32 (permalink)
    I'm having the same crashing problems since the update. It's happening on both my studio DAW and my portable laptop DAW that i use for remote recording so it's got to be something in the update. I tried rolling back to October and that didn't work so I reinstalled the most recent update. I tried it again and it didn't work...but, for some reason I started up Sonar again (without rebooting the computer) and tried to open the same project and it worked. This also is consistent with the laptop DAW.
     
    In summary, on both my laptop DAW and studio DAW, Sonar doesn't crash when it opens. It crashes when it tries to open a project. Like I mentioned above, if I start up Sonar again after the crash and try to open the same project it works. I have never had problems with Cakewalk programs or Sonar so this is unusual and I'm not happy that I have to go through this to get the program running but at least I'm not dead in the water....at the moment
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    Re: Crashing since 22.11 Unrelated to CA-2A? 2016/12/08 12:49:23 (permalink)
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    I'm having the same crashing problems since the update. It's happening on both my studio DAW and my portable laptop DAW that i use for remote recording so it's got to be something in the update. I tried rolling back to October and that didn't work so I reinstalled the most recent update. I tried it again and it didn't work...but, for some reason I started up Sonar again (without rebooting the computer) and tried to open the same project and it worked. This also is consistent with the laptop DAW.
     
    In summary, on both my laptop DAW and studio DAW, Sonar doesn't crash when it opens. It crashes when it tries to open a project. Like I mentioned above, if I start up Sonar again after the crash and try to open the same project it works. I have never had problems with Cakewalk programs or Sonar so this is unusual and I'm not happy that I have to go through this to get the program running but at least I'm not dead in the water....at the moment


    Same here, Sonar crashes when I open a previous project only. However, I removed Waves RVerb VST3, and saved the project under a different name. The project no longer crashes when opened.

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    Re: Crashing since 22.11 Unrelated to CA-2A? 2016/12/08 16:58:59 (permalink)
    They have released a sticky in the forums:
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/Instability-with-certain-Cakewalk-plugins-after-recent-Windows-10-updates-m3526221.aspx
     
    Seems to be a windows 10 update issue with thread utilization and not a Sonar problem.
    but you know how that goes..a problem is a problem and eventually becomes a Sonar problem.

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    Re: Crashing since 22.11 Unrelated to CA-2A? 2016/12/08 20:49:33 (permalink)
    I read it as exactly the opposite.
    A Win 10 update exposed a decades old bug in Sonar code.
    Since running a debug process (Procman via Bitflipper) fixes the issue, this means Win 10 has become faster and now exposes the Sonar bug.
    This is preferable since it is fixable by the bakers and we don't have to wait for Microsoft.
    It is all good.

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    Re: Crashing since 22.11 Unrelated to CA-2A? 2016/12/09 05:56:10 (permalink)
    microapp
    I read it as exactly the opposite.
    A Win 10 update exposed a decades old bug in Sonar code.
    Since running a debug process (Procman via Bitflipper) fixes the issue, this means Win 10 has become faster and now exposes the Sonar bug.
    This is preferable since it is fixable by the bakers and we don't have to wait for Microsoft.
    It is all good.


    I've read and reread the thread and can't find it being referred to as a decades old bug in Sonar.

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    Re: Crashing since 22.11 Unrelated to CA-2A? 2016/12/09 06:44:22 (permalink)
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    I read it as exactly the opposite.
    A Win 10 update exposed a decades old bug in Sonar code.
    Since running a debug process (Procman via Bitflipper) fixes the issue, this means Win 10 has become faster and now exposes the Sonar bug.
    This is preferable since it is fixable by the bakers and we don't have to wait for Microsoft.
    It is all good.


    I've read and reread the thread and can't find it being referred to as a decades old bug in Sonar.

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3526186
     

    just a sec

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    Re: Crashing since 22.11 Unrelated to CA-2A? 2016/12/09 07:47:53 (permalink)
    Its not a bug in SONAR - the problem is completely unrelated to SONAR itself. Its an issue in some of the plugins that apparently just became a problem with newer windows updates. The issue will even happen in a different DAW that uses these plugins - the symptom would be that they would fail to scan.

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    Re: Crashing since 22.11 Unrelated to CA-2A? 2016/12/09 09:38:22 (permalink)
    Yes, and I think it's not related to the new Sonar update since my VST scan started to freeze this last days and I'm still in the 10.2016 version...

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