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2016/12/08 13:18:20 (permalink)

Anyone liking the bakery yet?

It's been 3 weeks and I still don't use it. There's something about the whole thing that puts me off. The current forums are easy to navigate and find out what's going on in your thread of interest.
One thing I notice is that system specs don't show up there. A request for system specs is often made when people post a question. It helps form an answer and avoids asking questions about the system you are running. No go in the bakery. 
And what's the difference between a question and a discussion? They are 2 different things in the bakery, but here, questions usually turn into discussions.
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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/08 13:25:00 (permalink)
I'll just chime in to say I don't like it either.  The concept seems good enough, but the current forums (maybe through years of use) seem much easier to navigate. Is there a way to just browse without putting in a question or subject?

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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/08 13:36:57 (permalink)
Yes there are three areas, Questions, Ideas and Discussions, with direct links on the SONAR help menu. They are also at the top of the search results page, just click go on the search page without putting in any search criteria.
 
The Bakery is still very much a work in progress and has not progressed since its release. Hopefully, it will get some updates soon. 
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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/08 13:45:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby abacab 2016/12/08 17:05:22
I think it's a good idea for ideas and feature requests. It makes it easy to see what users consider important (based on votes). Not sure I like the rest of it though.
 
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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/08 13:48:37 (permalink)
The Bakery=Electoral College?
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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/08 14:02:07 (permalink)
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Yes there are three areas, Questions, Ideas and Discussions, with direct links on the SONAR help menu.



Didn't notice this before (and as my DAW is off line, it isn't any use to me anyway). Now I sorta get the idea for the Bakery versus the forums. The Bakery becomes the default 'help desk' for the user, without having to 'leave' SONAR.
 
Given this, the 'Questions' part makes sense, and to some degree the 'Ideas' section as well (post it before you forget it). But not sure about the discussion area. If I am in SONAR and click on the help menu, I am probably not looking to have a lengthy discussion. I come to the forums to engage in reading/responding to discussions when I am not on SONAR. At least that is me.
 
I would also agree that I haven't warmed up to the Bakery either (although I will now go back and look at it a bit differently). One thing I really don't like is that when I first bring it up I have to scroll down before I get the tabs to the various sections (although I now understand why 'Ask a Question' is the first thing I see - seeing that folks are anticipated to access it from the Help menu). I also don't like that the rank is the default. I have to constantly change it to 'Latest' in order to see what is new.
 
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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/08 14:11:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby abacab 2016/12/08 17:05:44
I feel like it's great for feature requests, but I don't find it very wieldy for casual browsing like the forums. Most times I just want to see if there's any topics worth my time, but the Bakery seems more fit for finding specific answers to questions or weighing in on a feature request.

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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/08 14:30:36 (permalink)
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It's been 3 weeks and I still don't use it. There's something about the whole thing that puts me off. The current forums are easy to navigate and find out what's going on in your thread of interest.
One thing I notice is that system specs don't show up there. A request for system specs is often made when people post a question. It helps form an answer and avoids asking questions about the system you are running. No go in the bakery. 
And what's the difference between a question and a discussion? They are 2 different things in the bakery, but here, questions usually turn into discussions.
All I want for Christmas is for the bakery to be infested with weevils. Sorry bakers, I gave it a shot but I'm not looking at it again until it becomes the only option. Humbug!




I agree.
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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/08 14:38:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2016/12/08 17:37:35
Must admit I forgot all about it since the first week it came out. This forum is like a nice old pair of shoes and fits me perfectly. 
I think ideally they should keep this forum too, think of all the useful information here, not that you can find it :) 
One of this forums main attributes is you can open it and very quickly get a "feel" of what's going on.
Look at all the thread titles with grumbling about the November release. That's very important for those of us who "wait and see" with updating. It's the reason I totally skipped X1 and X2. Way to many grumbly threads. Then X3 came out and the mood here totally changed to wonderful happy people. Out came the Visa card. 
 
That "feel" of this forum is important to me.   We are the unbiased users of this software and I want to know both the good and bad that's going on,, I get a feeling the Bakery forum will filter the bad into oblivion. 

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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/08 14:47:23 (permalink)
Won't use it as my Studio computer doesn't get connected to the internet.  
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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/08 15:26:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2016/12/08 17:37:41
I checked it out but didn't find it particularly appealing.  I don't like the interface.  I prefer the forums. 

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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/08 16:51:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby abacab 2016/12/08 17:04:46
I love the bakery for feature requests, as it seems perfect for that function.

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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/08 17:07:37 (permalink)
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I love the bakery for feature requests, as it seems perfect for that function.




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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/08 19:46:13 (permalink)
I checked it out once, didn't care for it. Now I can't even find it. Not sure how to even get to it again.



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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/08 19:53:42 (permalink)
I must have missed the announcement.

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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/08 20:03:44 (permalink)
At this stage the Bakery is lukewarm for me too.

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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/09 00:36:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2016/12/09 12:08:23
I don't really "get" the Bakery.
I've perused it a number of times, and wonder why they created it.
Is it just because the feature requests forum wasn't working, maybe becoming too scattered with too many random ideas ? The Bakery does seem to be an attempt to organize, and perhaps even rate the requested ideas from users.
 
I guess its' the "rating" of ideas I have a problem with. Won't this just turn into a competition for everyone to get Cakewalk to develop what they want to see come about ? Might turn into the staff view users vs. the loop view users, for example. Or, maybe even the recording studios vs. the composers. For a software that seems to have something for everyone, maybe they just want the users to decide the direction of things to be developed.
I don't really "get" the Bakery, yet . . .
 

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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/09 00:53:55 (permalink)
I think that's a good point, Maybe they are struggling with what direction to take. Sonar is almost stretched to breaking point with what it can do. And that's for sure that each one of us has a certain direction we would prefer it to go in.  
Like me, I get annoyed with "loops".  But I believe that the most popular feature with new users.
Look at the list of Drum Loops.. do you see any typical music genders ?? Like Country or the Blues??  no, it's all Hip Hop etc. I have a feeling they are just sorting out how to expand sales and that's a tough one in today's  market.. It used to be the market for Music was 24 to 40 years old. Not sure what it would be now.
 
Most of the younger people I work with expect music and movies to be %100 free. And I bet there's still a huge amount of software piracy going on. -- I just googled "Sonar-Torrents" and see a long list on Pirate bay including the August release of Platinum. How would that be possible? Anyway tough market when young people don't have jobs or $500 to blow on an app they can find free or for next to nothing. 
I think the release of Home Studio @ under $50 will be a big hit. But it's marketing is aimed at Looping and making electronic music. 

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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/09 01:08:04 (permalink)
Johnny . . . that's a very thoughtful and insightful post . . . you're right, the software business is tough, because nobody really knows where the trends are heading . . . how do you spend development dollars with a murky crystal ball . . . technology is changing so rapidly, so it is important to get a pulse on what customers may be thinking.
 
Your point about a younger generation having a different set of expectations from the software world than the previous generations is bang on.

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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/09 09:23:31 (permalink)
The only thing permanent is change.
 
I started using Cakewalk almost 20 years ago, when I picked up a copy of Professional 6, back in the Cakewalk Pro Audio days.  Running Windows 95 on a PC. 
 
Back then the community was mostly MIDI users, with the option to record some audio.  But chances are your PC wasn't really up to much digital audio, and real-time monitoring and effects were almost impossible.  Record dry and add off-line effects after.  I remember most pro audio newsgroups on the net were still discussing analog tape and the new ADAT format.
 
But Cakewalk eventually sucked in enough of the pro audio crowd to keep rolling.  PC technology took off, and it wasn't just tape machines or Macs anymore.  Lot's of those guys in the Cakewalk forums these days.
 
Then they marketed to guitar players.  There's a lot more of them around here now than pure MIDI users. There's more guitar players on the planet than anything else, I presume.  Guitar Rig and TH3.  Lot's of those guys in the Cakewalk forums these days.  Not a problem!  Some of my best friends are guitar players
 
But in the middle of all this, they didn't forget about the MIDI guys.  Lots of cool virtual instruments are bundled now.  Hardly ever need to break out the external hardware anymore.  Plus I really like how you can now record a virtual instrument directly to an audio track, completely in the box!
 
The younger crowd now appears to be into electronic dance music and making beats.  So the marketing goes there.  Loops, anyone?  Improvements to Matrix view.  New Lens just for making beats.  Lot's of those guys in the Cakewalk forums these days.
 
I think that the way forward will be to successfully appeal to all groups of users.  From posts that I have seen recently, the most neglected groups at this time apparently are traditional songwriters, composers, and arrangers.  They either just make do with Cakewalk, or use another product that does what they need.
 
The bakery can focus attention on the most wanted new features.  Then the bakers obviously will have to balance their resources with what they can market, and how to keep bringing in new users.

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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/09 09:53:00 (permalink)
Actually I was headed that way (to the bake shop) and as I have not as yet bookmarked same
I did a quick google for "Cakewalk Bakery"

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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/09 10:12:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2016/12/09 12:10:22
Bakery's interface is not appealing for me. That's why I'm not going to spend much time in the Bakery browsing ideas and questions but I'll still suggest improvements and make feature requests.
It just does not feel finished yet.
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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/09 12:06:20 (permalink)
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Actually I was headed that way (to the bake shop) and as I have not as yet bookmarked same
I did a quick google for "Cakewalk Bakery"

In addition to the link in the help menu. There is a cupcake icon in the start screen for the site. Ryan published several links in the post announcing the transfer of Features and Ideas to the Bakery.
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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/09 21:14:39 (permalink)
I must have missed something. How do you access the Bakers forum? 

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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/09 21:16:14 (permalink)
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Re: Anyone liking the bakery yet? 2016/12/09 23:37:57 (permalink)
Thank you, The Grim.

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