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2016/12/09 14:28:22 (permalink)

thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions

hi folks, 
i was so thankful for my last post-i am getting close to making a purchase, but know i am going to need help and i am wondering about support?  i don't want to be completely blind if i can't figure something out.
 
i know daw's are intense and will be patient to learn but hope support is good..
 
i might be able to get the highend sonar if that helps with communication in regards to support.
 
thanks!
jj
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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/09 14:59:03 (permalink)
Do yourself a favor and get Platinum, preferably for life...
Our forum is extremely helpful... probably the best there is...
I can't imagine how some folks are able to spend so much time helping...
 
but they do.
 
It's an amazing platform... 

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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/09 15:05:47 (permalink)
It depends on what your expectations are with free support. Cakewalk prioritizes issues that prevent people from working with SONAR, whether it's a store issue or a recurring crash. However quite a few people expect support to answer questions like "how to I get a good vocal sound" or "should I use the Sonitus compressor or the ProChannel compressor for bass." These go to the end of the line.
 
Cakewalk had support issues earlier this year, then had a complete meltdown when the Lifetime Updates appeared and added a ton of new users on top of the more modest amount of new users that had happened up to that point. The company got behind by thousands of support tickets, but hired additional people and now the backlog is pretty much cleaned up.
 
However...I use a lot of software programs and have lots of questions, but I've found that using social media and forums (particularly this one) get answers faster. Of course the forum can't answer "How come Cleverbridge declined my credit card" but if the question involves SONAR itself, there are extremely knowledgeable people here who are eager and willing to help. Every time I've had a question, the forum has always come through for me, and usually within 24 hours.
 
 

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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/09 15:42:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jjvibes 2016/12/09 17:37:02
I agree with Vastman. I believe you will get quick and accurate support right here on this forum. There are some fantastic members here including Vastman and Craig that help in any way they can. Heck Mr. Anderton wrote the book on helpful tips. 
 
As to CW support.  In the past I have dealt with them once or twice and I was always satisfied with their help. Lately CW has had to hire more support personnel to handle the huge number of new users. I don't know how good support is now. I do know that it is improving greatly.
 
 
In a real sense there isn't much this forum can't handle. So my advice is come here first and let us help. If we can't solve the problem we'll tell you you need to contact support.  Often times CW will monitor a thread and offer direct help. 
 
Really You have come to very best place for Sonar support there is. And let me welcome you JJ to this forum.  I also suggest you drop by even if you don't need help but want to learn about Sonar.  
 

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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/09 17:05:42 (permalink)
If the question is: "Is Cakewalk support more responsive to users of the Platinum than to the Artist or Professional edition?," I have never seen any policy or user report this to be the case. It may be the case that support is/was not offered for some free version bundled with hardware, but you should expect the same level of support from any full version. The caveat is that support is not guaranteed for any version in which your active membership has lapsed. So the advantage of getting Platinum now (before 12/31/2016) is that your membership will presumably stay active. Unless something changes that should include support as well as updates. "Lifetime" updates is only available for Platinum as far as I can tell. 
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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/09 17:10:44 (permalink)
I'll add one more thing to what John said. In some ways the forum is great for support not because it's necessarily filled with thousands of MENSA members, but because the problems are often variations on a theme. 
 
The majority of SONAR issues deal with third-party plug-ins, audio interface drivers, and Windows. Over time the associated issues have become well known, to the point where if someone says "Hey, I'm having problem [x]" it will likely have the "scent" of a problem that's happened before. As a result people will start by offering recommendations of what worked in the past, and most of the time this does the job. Also, conscientious forumites indicate threads as [Solved] in the header if their question is answered, so if you scan the forum and see "[Solved] All of a Sudden Huge Latency," you can read it to see what solved the problem. This way if something happens to you or someone else in the future, you at least know where to start.
 
In the case of true SONAR issues like a bug, once it's identified it's fairly common that someone from Cakewalk comes in and acknowledges it so we can stop scratching our heads. 
 
Another way the forum excels is when someone does ask a question like "which compressor should I use on bass." That's something that Cakewalk support should not prioritize, but you'll get all kinds of useful opinions in the forum. 

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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/09 17:13:41 (permalink)
SPLAT has very complex yet useful features compared to other DAWS.  What this means is that occasionally you will have headaches (at least it's been my experience.) but 1.  This forum will address it quickly and get you out of the hole and 2.  Having so many useful (but complex) tools at your hands is worth it.
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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/09 17:39:35 (permalink)
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Having so many useful (but complex) tools at your hands is worth it.



 
Even better, you can do perverse things with them that were never intended 

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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/09 17:40:31 (permalink)
thank you all!  i guess i am so new to forum i didn't expect this kind of response! (only from other forums.)
and yes i don't someone to teach me to "listen" more about tech stuff..like is this a bug or am i doing it wrong!
 
i did hear about the meltdown which makes a bit nervous..only before posting.
thank you and happy holidays!
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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/09 18:00:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby The Twangler 2016/12/09 18:47:57
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 "Lifetime" updates is only available for Platinum as far as I can tell. 



This is correct, and time is running out...

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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/09 19:14:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Vastman 2016/12/09 20:53:50
Couldn't find the upgrade chart because I'm logged in to the store it only shows me what my costs are. But there was a chart before that showed upgrade pricing. 
 
So just thought I'd toss this in. You may also be looking to purchase an Audio Interface. You'll want one to use Sonar in it's full glory. 
If so, buy a Tascam interface  and you'll get a free copy of SonarX3 LE. Register it and you will be able to use that for a discount upgrade price on any version. Myself this knocked $150 off. Not bad when a Tascam us 2x2 costs the same.. Your getting your interface for free. 

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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/09 19:41:18 (permalink)
thanks...i have some nice AI.. great tip though.
 
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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/09 19:54:25 (permalink)
Support for this forum is bar none the best on the net.
With that being said, tech support for Cakewalk leaves just a little bit to be desired.
 
I have been one of the people who have vowed for Cakewalk even when many were putting them down.
You really shouldn't need tech support unless its an issue with registration, authorization.
This forum pretty much does almost everything in terms of explanation of features and detail.
With that said, no one should have to wait on registration issues, not even more than a day or 2.
 

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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/09 21:02:10 (permalink)
In addition to interactive support in the forum, Sonar comes with a 58 page PDF User Guide to get one started and a 2,188 (!) page Reference Guide. Good way to get correct answers to many questions. That page count reflects the depth and strength of Sonar features. Online electronic help files are constantly updated and accessible from inside Sonar. 
 
From experience, I also highly recommend the educational videos available at Groove3.com. They have about 9 multi-part video courses covering various editions of Sonar, and there is much to learn even from the ones focusing on earlier versions. They are currently having a sale on their All Access annual pass, which, in my opinion, is the very best way to take advantage of their constantly updated offerings (covering quite a breadth of topics beyond Sonar).

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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/09 22:09:12 (permalink)
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From experience, I also highly recommend the educational videos available at Groove3.com. They have about 9 multi-part video courses covering various editions of Sonar




I prefer the SWA Videos myself.
They cover Sonar a little bit more in depth than Groove 3 does.

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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/10 03:29:15 (permalink)
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In addition to interactive support in the forum, Sonar comes with a 58 page PDF User Guide to get one started and a 2,188 (!) page Reference Guide. 



OK Blood in the water. And another weakness of Cakewalk support. When was the Reference Guide last updated? New features are being continuously added, to the program but not to the Reference Guide. Before everyone piles on with how the web based documentation is up to date, tell me how to do a keyword search of the online format. or how to read it from a Kindle with no internet connection.. The general web search then filter to documentation seems to provide only a subset of the results from a word search of the pdf. The index to the web help is terrible, and the table of contents is only useful if you already know where to find something. 
 
edit: The pdf has been updated
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3533029
 
post edited by slartabartfast - 2016/12/20 16:02:10
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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/10 07:28:21 (permalink)
The help file can do searches. It is up to date with each update.  

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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/10 07:59:40 (permalink)
In terms of users helping other users, this forum is the best. You will not only get help with setting up and tackling technical issues, but you will get lot of great advice on how to make music. I do think this is a special place in that regard.

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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/10 08:41:27 (permalink)
wow folks all of you know your stuff and quite kind. which is what i need!
I auditioned the cubase forum and only 1 person got back to me..which is fine, but more opinions are helpful.
 
speaking of  cubase which would it matter for a beginner (but with lots of music knowledge and some daw) to gravitate towards cubase or cake walk?
 
i think i can get educational discounts on both?
 
although i am a little bit weary of calkwalk support this forum speaks with confidence!
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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/10 11:23:34 (permalink)
Both DAWs are great. Cubase is a full and very complete DAW so is Sonar. Its a matter of DAW philosophies. They are different as to the approach to MIDI and audio. The outcome is the same. 
 
I used Cubase SX1 2 and 3 but I always came back to Sonar. When Cubase 4 came out I didn't upgrade to it. I stuck with Sonar only. Why you may ask? It is a simple reason Sonar is easier to use for 90 % of the things I do most often. It is also nondestructive in its approach. Its also modular even though this is never talked about. Take the best attributes of Samplitude and Cubase remove tedious and convoluted ways of doing something and you wind up with Sonar.  
 
Even though CW is going to offer a Mac version Sonar is Windows oriented. Its integrated into the Windows OS more than any other DAW. Also CW has a very good working relationship with MS. If you are used to Windows programs Sonar will seem logical and consistent with the Windows way of doing things. You'll feel at home.  

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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/10 11:38:00 (permalink)
I'll add that I make a living using Sonar.  It's more than adequate to make professional recordings.  Of course, there are lots of variables that should be considered- talent, hardware, software learning curve, etc. However, I've never encountered any show-stoppers although I've seen some stressed users now and again out here.  Good luck.

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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/10 12:08:13 (permalink)
I have Cubase LE 5.  funny enough it came with my Tascam interface, now Tascam ships with Sonar. One of the big reasons I didn't upgrade Cubase is the user forum.. It's about 10% of this forum. 
Cubase does not include as many usable VST instruments. It's a solid piece of software but Sonar is defiantly more bang for the buck. 
I tried to down load the demo of Cubase 8 and the file was corrupted so never got a chance. It screwed my dongle up too. So they are far from perfect. 

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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/10 12:49:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jjvibes 2016/12/10 14:02:04
Not Sure is this helps but I played long and hard with Cubase and it never worked for me. However, CW worked straight out of the box. Seemed an awful lot more logical!
 
I worked my way up to platinum and although I can't use it all yet, it allows me to post a song a week on Sound Cloud. I'm afraid Cubase would be too finickerty for me to do the same using it. CW support, even through the "meltdown", was great for me and I really enjoy using the program.
 
For me I would encourage you to but the best version of Cakewalk Sonar you can, and as soon as possible
 
Hope this helps
 
Marko
 
P.S. YouTube is awash with great Sonar tutorials and it doesn't take long to work out the differences between working ProTools and Sonar, but in the months I have been learning Platinum I have never once seen anyone mention Cubase in the Tutorials there. Probably just me, but this is my experience.
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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/10 22:09:57 (permalink)
Well, you ARE in the Sonar forum. If I were starting out I would demo or buy the cheapest software I could. I would give Sonar, Cubase, Studio One and Reaper a try. Chances are one if them will pop out as a favorite. At that point, you would have to be convinced that support, or lack thereof, may change your mind. I have found this forum invaluable, but there are mutterings that these forums may change( I.e the Bakery experiment).
As to support from Cakewalk itself, in spite of the glowing reports of hiring staff and reducing tickets, I have done a weekly or biweekly attempt to sign up for phone support since last May. I have never been able to schedule a time. Something happened at Cakewalk and my belief is that phone support is a thing of the past.
Anyway, try all the DAWs and then decide. Who cares about support for a product they won't use?
Good luck, really you can't go wrong these days.

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Re: thinking about switching to cakewalk..important questions 2016/12/11 08:24:17 (permalink)
but the lifetime updates...is a deal!
 
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