My Midi drumming is too hard

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2016/12/14 08:36:00 (permalink)

My Midi drumming is too hard

I have a MPD18 16 pad midi controller that I'd like to use for creating midi drum tracks.  However, when I am using it, I hit the pads fairly hard and all the note velocities end up at 127.  I looked in the MPD18 manual and didn't find a way to reduce the sensitivity of the pads so that when I hit them there is some variability in velocities.  I know it will send lower velocities because if I tap the pads lightly, I get lower ones (but I can't keep time when I tap lightly.)  Anybody know how I might do that?
 
I know I can edit velocities in Sonar, but I would rather "get it right at the source" so to speak.

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    scottfa
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    Re: My Midi drumming is too hard 2016/12/14 09:38:45 (permalink)
    A look at the quick setup guide reveals a "Full Level" option which will send a 127 out no matter how hard or soft you hit the pads. I can't get into the editor software, but that is where I would look. Usually there is a velocity curve option to tailor the responses, however this is a pretty inexpensive box do maybe you are expecting more than it can give.

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    Re: My Midi drumming is too hard 2016/12/14 09:42:00 (permalink)
    Thanks, I know about that button and that's not what's going on.  I can play softly and get lower velocities.  I may be expecting too much from this controller but I thought I'd ask before trying to change my play style (or just using my Midi keyboard.)

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    Re: My Midi drumming is too hard 2016/12/14 09:51:58 (permalink)
    A quick Google check reveals that there is indeed no velocity curve options. However, I did find a forum post about changing the velocity. Involves modding the pads I think. Anyway here is the link:
    https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=977619

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    Re: My Midi drumming is too hard 2016/12/14 10:02:51 (permalink)
    Thanks for that link.  It seems like it solves the opposite problem I have.  I tap hard enough to get a midi event.  In fact I tap so hard that I get a midi event with a velocity of 127.  Holding back on my tapping force allows me to get a lower velocity midi event, but I struggle to get good rhythms when trying not to hit as hard.
     
    I may still try to the mod to see if it makes any difference.  If I end up breaking the unit, its not that big a loss.  I may also see if I can swap out a different pad material, too.

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    Re: My Midi drumming is too hard 2016/12/14 11:21:59 (permalink)
    Without being able to change velocity curves there is probably not a lot of options other than practice, practice, practice.
    I was bemoaning my "lack of articulation" with pads and thought it was the pads fault until someone who is a drummer made me look foolish by making a really expressive beat in minutes.
    I am now a lot better at it but for three levels of soft medium and hard which is enough most of the time, anything special I just edit velocities in the software

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    Re: My Midi drumming is too hard 2016/12/14 11:36:54 (permalink)
    I have the opposite problem with my MPD26.
     
    The 26 has threshold and sensitivity settings for pads.  Are you sure the 18 doesn't?

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    Re: My Midi drumming is too hard 2016/12/14 12:04:59 (permalink)
    Ok, this is from left field..... How about pads or gloves for your fingers? Foam? Just a random thought.

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    Re: My Midi drumming is too hard 2016/12/14 12:28:42 (permalink)
    Might lighter sticks help?

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    Re: My Midi drumming is too hard 2016/12/14 15:41:04 (permalink)
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    Might lighter sticks help?

    Its not that kind of drum pad.  Its a 16 pad midi controller.  My fingers are my fingers (although there are a couple of suggestions up thread that might be interesting.)
     
    If this was posted in Sarcastica Font (TM) I missed it.

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    Re: My Midi drumming is too hard 2016/12/14 15:45:53 (permalink)
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    Without being able to change velocity curves there is probably not a lot of options other than practice, practice, practice.
    I was bemoaning my "lack of articulation" with pads and thought it was the pads fault until someone who is a drummer made me look foolish by making a really expressive beat in minutes.
    I am now a lot better at it but for three levels of soft medium and hard which is enough most of the time, anything special I just edit velocities in the software.

    Practice?  Practice??  What's practice?
     
    Seriously, I had thought of that as well, but I'd probably just use my keyboard which will give me fairly good velocity control.
     
    My workflow is to separate out the kick/snare into 1 midi track, the hi-hats and cymbals into a second and the toms into a third (all feeding 1 instance of AD2.)  I don't really want to be a "pad drummer" just want to get a humanize beat down.

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    Re: My Midi drumming is too hard 2016/12/14 15:46:23 (permalink)
    Assuming your pads are sending 127 on every hit, then there is a limited amount you can do in SONAR or other software to fix this. 127 is a constant number, if you subtract a set number from that constant you will just get a universally lower number. You will not be able to get any new information from the pad. If you apply some sort of randomization, you will just get random results, not the expressive results you are looking for. Any change you make that will do what you want will have to come at the point where the transducer in the pad converts the percussion to MIDI. So if there is not a physical adjustment to the electronics of the transducer, or a software setting in the firmware or driver that will extend the sensitivity of the pad, you will need to reduce the percussive force i.e. hit it softer or put a muffling substance between the drumstick and pad for example using padded sticks.
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    Re: My Midi drumming is too hard 2016/12/14 15:58:46 (permalink)
    I'd also either try to play differently or put some kind of damping material on your fingers or the pads. Trying to hit the pads with your fingers more horizontally (as if drumming on a table) might also yield better results than hitting them perpendicularly with the full force of your wrist/arm behind them.
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    Re: My Midi drumming is too hard 2016/12/14 16:11:04 (permalink)
    That is why I bought the midi drum set so I could use sticks. It's near impossible to get realistic drum rolls etc with fingers,,, you need the bounce involved. 
    All you need is one good drum pad, but the whole kit is awesome if you can at least sort of play real drums.. saves a tonne of time for me.. get most parts in one pass. On a good day, I don't need to fix  much in editing. 
     
    My Roland a49 has a slider that when assigned velocity turns the controller from sensitive ( piano ) to hard (organ) 

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    Re: My Midi drumming is too hard 2016/12/14 16:13:34 (permalink)
    Sanderxpander
    I'd also either try to play differently or put some kind of damping material on your fingers or the pads. Trying to hit the pads with your fingers more horizontally (as if drumming on a table) might also yield better results than hitting them perpendicularly with the full force of your wrist/arm behind them.

    I just did a little experiment using my fingers horizontally and bending at the knuckle and the results are much better.  It will take some practice to get a fairly consistent velocity (but not uniform), but this might be the way to go.

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    Re: My Midi drumming is too hard 2016/12/14 17:43:29 (permalink)
    did you mention practice?
    :)
    tbh I found using keyboard keys harder than pads as it is more difficult to hit 127 however my keyboard does have velocity curves so was able to set it to high and get a decent result

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