robert_e_bone
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Hi - can anyone with any of the Korg Legacy Collection synths confirm this behavior?
Hi - recently, Korg posted a great deal on their Korg Legacy Collection software, that includes several of their emulations of older keyboards, and I bought the M1 and a friend bought the whole collection (GREAT prices, by the way - $24.99 for M1 and $99.99 for the whole collection) So - I installed M1 on my desktop and all is fine, and the product works great for me. I installed the whole collection on my friend's laptop, because he wants to use it live. The problem is that even though all of the software on his laptop is fully authorized with the Licence Keys directly from the Korg registration process (ties it all to a single computer, which is fine), when any of the components are launched with the WiFi disabled (the drivers, and not just turning the transceiver off), the M1 software pops up a dialog box as if it had never been authorized. NO ES BUENO! The issue does NOT occur if the WiFi drivers are enabled, as it apparently phones home to Korg over an internet connection to make sure it is really authorized (even though the license key was pasted into M1 and fully authorized earlier). The laptop's WiFi driver needs to be disabled for live performance, due to massive DPC Latency spikes when the drivers are enabled. So far, the only way I have come up with to get past this idiocy is to leave the WiFi adapters enabled, then launch M1, wait a couple of seconds, and then I can disable WiFi before actually playing anything on M1. There is no realistic way to ensure that for any given gig, that any WiFi connection would be guaranteed present, and I need to first confirm this behavior by someone/anyone else, and second, I need to figure out a better workaround to the issue. Thanks for reading all of the above, and thanks in advance to anyone who can confirm the behavior. Bob Bone
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Re: Hi - can anyone with any of the Korg Legacy Collection synths confirm this behavior?
2016/12/14 16:09:59
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☄ Helpfulby robert_e_bone 2016/12/14 16:15:19
I have it and I'm pretty sure they are using the network card's macid as the computer id, so turning off a network driver will cause the computer's fingerprint to change.
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robert_e_bone
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Re: Hi - can anyone with any of the Korg Legacy Collection synths confirm this behavior?
2016/12/14 16:17:58
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Interesting, I'll see if I can solve the latency issues with just turning transceiver off but leave the driver enabled. I'll post back shortly. Bob Bone
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Re: Hi - can anyone with any of the Korg Legacy Collection synths confirm this behavior?
2016/12/14 16:50:06
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msorrels I have it and I'm pretty sure they are using the network card's macid as the computer id, so turning off a network driver will cause the computer's fingerprint to change.
That may be true for WiFi but I'm not so sure about Network cards sans the WiFi. I have my network card disabled and I can play the M1 and Wavestation with no problem, even when I do a fresh boot. However I have had these since the old dongle days but they were updated so I can use them without a dongle. Maybe things have changed, don't know.
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Re: Hi - can anyone with any of the Korg Legacy Collection synths confirm this behavior?
2016/12/14 17:18:06
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It may be possible to turn off all the network cards and then do the authorization, in which case it can't/won't key on the card. But if the card is active when you do the authorization and then you turn it off, it could result in the challenge/response no longer being correct. I've had issues like that with Virtual network cards even. There are ways you can work around these things, but every vendor is different.
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Re: Hi - can anyone with any of the Korg Legacy Collection synths confirm this behavior?
2016/12/14 17:48:09
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The authorization process is spawned at component launch, so when M1 first starts after installation, it launches the authorization dialog box, and even on my desktop, if I disable the NIC (there is no WiFi on the desktop), it still indeed results in it trying to go through the authorization process. So, it may well be as was noted earlier, where for some goofy reason it uses the MAC ID and requires either the WiFi driver or a NIC driver to be enabled at the time of component launch (M1). I have to unpack my friend's laptop and get it up and going to test out the impact to its DPC Latency if I leave the WiFi driver enabled and just use an on-board function to switch off the actual transceiver. First comes lunch and a nap Bob Bone
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Re: Hi - can anyone with any of the Korg Legacy Collection synths confirm this behavior?
2016/12/15 01:44:58
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Trying to offer some possible help here. I am running Studio One 64 bit version on a Win 7 computer and I can say that the computer does not have to be on line at all for these Korg products to run normally. I am running Wavestation and M1. I did something weird I think and for some reason the Wavestation is in the program Files/X86 folder and the M1 is in the normal 64 bit program Files/VST Plugins folder. But the licence file for both seem to be in the ProgramFiles X86/Common Files/legacy folder. That is where as far as I can tell the licence files need to be. I am only running 64 bit though when I bootup Studio One but both of these seem to boot up and run normally. Studio One does know though that some of my plugins are in the X86 folder where I guess the 64 bit versions might be. But in your case check as to where the licence files are. I also have a 32 bit machine running with Win XP and the Wavestation is still on that machine but since running it on the 64 bit machine it has stopped working on the XP machine for some reason. I guess it may be confused not sure why. I don't care as I run both Korg products on the 64 bit machine anyway. Try logging into Korg User Net and make sure all your products are registered. And maybe try a re issue licence as well. I have had to do that once or twice over the last few years as a result of me changing something major on my computer.
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Re: Hi - can anyone with any of the Korg Legacy Collection synths confirm this behavior?
2016/12/15 11:22:24
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☼ Best Answerby robert_e_bone 2016/12/15 11:22:35
Well, it DOES appear that the Korg authorization process does indeed use the network adapter (wired or wireless) that is active at the point the authorization process is running, as part of the generation of the Locking Code or the License Key, and subsequent launching of any of the components (M1, Wavestation, etc) checks back against that network driver to make sure it is running on the same computer. If it doesn't find that network driver enabled, it spawns the Authorization dialog box, and that is what was happening on the laptop, and on my desktop when I disabled my wired network driver in a test. SOO - it seems I may have taken the audio optimization of the laptop farther than the Korg software allows my to go, and I have subsequently amended my protocol for enabling/disabling device drivers when preparing to launch music applications like the Korg software. I now will leave the WiFi device driver enabled on the laptop - and only turn off/on the WiFi transceiver instead, while leaving the device driver for WiFi enabled. This DOES keep the Korg software happy, so this issue can be seen as resolved at this point. Thanks all for input and assistance with this issue. :) Bob Bone
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Re: Hi - can anyone with any of the Korg Legacy Collection synths confirm this behavior?
2016/12/15 12:49:21
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Thanks for reporting back ...
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Re: Hi - can anyone with any of the Korg Legacy Collection synths confirm this behavior?
2016/12/15 13:43:25
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This still does not explain the fact that my Win 7 machine is never on line. No wireless connection, nothing. Both of my korg products bootup up and run perfectly. Any ideas there?
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Re: Hi - can anyone with any of the Korg Legacy Collection synths confirm this behavior?
2016/12/15 15:05:53
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☄ Helpfulby robert_e_bone 2016/12/15 17:57:13
It doesn't use the net/TCPIP it uses the hardware that is running on the machine. If you have no network connection but still have the network hardware (usually built into the motherboard but could also be a card/usb adapter) it will use that when it generates its fingerprint for your machine. If a device driver is installed, making the hardware visible, it gets used. If you had no network cards at all, it would do something else (some apps I've used fail and require a network card). What matters is not the network connection but rather the hardware that the device driver identifies. In my case I have two network ports on this motherboard but if I disable one of them some of my software will stop working, even though no network packets/cable has ever been plugged into that port.
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Re: Hi - can anyone with any of the Korg Legacy Collection synths confirm this behavior?
2016/12/15 17:58:07
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rsinger Thanks for reporting back ...
Well, I couldn't just leave folks hanging, now...I HAD to post back with the outcome. :) Bob Bone
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