Synth rack?

Why can't I just have the regular old synth rack view. With + sign then red X for removal of synth. Then properties, then Insert synth options then drop down menu which defaults to NONE when rack is empty. . Every time I add a synth the view changes. I do NOT want it to change. I see no way to get back to this view.
Maybe not enough info but I couldn't upload a pict.
 
BTW, what it changes to is instrument view? I do NOT WANT instrument view. I did not ask for this view.. Maybe the way I work is strange, but it works for me. But since the last view updates It is all driving me nuts. 

All synths are listed in a "windows type list view. Defined by the user . It is my list, the ones I want in my syth layouts. But I do NOT want the original view to change every time I add a synth. I cannot stop it and getting back to the view I want is a joke.
 
Thsi issue is NEW for me anyway. I update every time. Never wait. I now have rolled back to 10/04/2016. I'll see what happens their.

RSMCGUITAR

stratman70
But I just do not feel that something as the view in the synth rack remainng the same as it has for me since, jeeezzz, I cannot remember. Since forever. That just does not seem like progress to me.

So staying the same would be progress?? 

Nope....Of course not. I get that. But I can only honestly say that as long as the synth rack has been their, it NEVER, EVER changed views on me just because I added a synth using the plus sign. So progress does not have to mean removing some simple, basic things. I also have gotten back up to the October build 22.10 Build 19.
 
So I will make an educated guess that the Next update is the one where this behavior changed. So I guess for now this is where I stay. I will read all the release notes and see if I can find out why this is happening and what I can do to prevent it.........I would rather take the updates. I did not buy the lifetime deal to stay where I am now. I have upgraded every version of CWPA and Sonar except ONE....Just sayin

RSMCGUITAR
Just a light ribbing. No harm intended.

I would recommend reading this release:  http://static.cakewalk.com/cakewalk/products/sonar/release_notes/Welcome_to_the_SONAR_2016.11_Release.pdf 
It explains the changes with the synth rack view. Probably won't fix the issue you're describing but it's when the behaviour of the synth rack changed.

I knew that.....about the ribbing. I will read that. Thanks. For now I am still staying where I am...too frustrating. Thanks you for your input..It is appreciated.
 

Buggaluggs
Synth rack was easier to access.  More clicks does not = progress for me.

I agree. 100%

RSMCGUITAR
Lock synth rack in the browser and press B... viola.

This is what I have done.
All the best.

By Locking it in place I imagine you all mean DOCKING it.  The letter B either hides or reveals the Browser, does not loack anything...for me anyway . I have always done it this way. I didn't change what I was doing. Something changed for me in the last update...Lenses perhaps? I don't know. I appreciate the advice but what you describe is what I have been doing for many, many years already...
 
But perhaps, like I mentioned. something got corrupted in the newest build (for me I mean on my machine)
So shortly I will ree install back up to the latest Build and see how it is.
 
Thanks guys

abacab
This is not a bug.  It was a planned feature change.
 
http://www.cakewalk.com/P.../Rolling-Updates#start
 
Synth Handling Improvements
November 2016
The Synth Rack has a lot going for it, specifically the assignable controls. However the only way you could access them was by undocking the Browser, or docking the entire Browser in the Multidock. Now the Synth Rack can live in the Multidock all by itself, or in the Browser.

BTW, the image in that document of the synth browser is "what I want and am used to....regardless of the controls, I mean the syhth, blue background + sign to add,  red X to remove, etc.. Never said it was a "bug". I said something may have become corrupt in my system and my Sonar install. Still don't like it. But I get it.

abacab
I also like that they finally "fixed" this!
 
If you delete an Instrument track, whether a Simple Instrument track or part of an instrument folder, SONAR will no longer “orphan” the synth. As long as no other tracks route to the synth, it will be deleted upon deleting the instrument track, thus freeing up memory.
 
It was sometimes annoying 

I agree......Ya know, sometimes old dogs like me get used to certain things and it's tough to change. When I use to process payroll for a company of about 350+ employees the newer versions of excel and word kept hiding stuff I wa used to. well not hiding, just moving.  
So far I am ok, but I think I will stay away from Lenses , because I do believe I screwed up there....We'll see...Thanks to everyone for all the replies..
Frank

chuckebaby
Drag the synth rack to the Browser, then using the Keyboard shortcut "B" it will hide the Browser+Synth rack at the same time. You can still use it in that similar way.

When I drag it to the Browser, it either ends on top of it or under it. But I have not found the way to "dock" it INTO the browser. Do I miss something?
So what I observe has no advantages. I mean if the Synth rack COULD be removed from the Browser (to put into Multidock or place alone), that could be a "new helpful feature". For the moment it is just a "nasty change...".

You must be missing something. You can have the Synth View docked in the Broswer:
 

 
Docked in the Multidock:
 

 
Or Floating:
 

 
Once it's floating you can just drag it to whichever "dock" you want it in

azslow3

chuckebaby
Drag the synth rack to the Browser, then using the Keyboard shortcut "B" it will hide the Browser+Synth rack at the same time. You can still use it in that similar way.

When I drag it to the Browser, it either ends on top of it or under it. But I have not found the way to "dock" it INTO the browser. Do I miss something?
So what I observe has no advantages. I mean if the Synth rack COULD be removed from the Browser (to put into Multidock or place alone), that could be a "new helpful feature". For the moment it is just a "nasty change...".

I think part of the problem is the terminology.  First there is the Browser.  Then there is the Browser in the Browser.  Then if you open Synth Rack View, then there is a Synth Rack in the Browser.  Got it now?
 
Here it is again, with a few more details.  I hope I can keep the browsers straight ...
 
First there is the Browser (The pane on the right that you can collapse or expand).  Then there is the Browser (The combined tabbed view with the File Browser, the Plugin Browser, & the Notes Browser) in the Browser (The pane on the right that you can collapse or expand).  Then if you open Synth Rack View, then there is a Synth Rack View (Synth Rack) in the Browser (The pane on the right that you can collapse or expand).  The difference is that the Synth Rack is no longer tabbed in the Browser with the File Browser, the Plugin Browser, & the Notes Browser.  It now occupies it's own separate window in the Browser (The pane on the right that you can collapse or expand).  The Synth Rack can now be floated or docked with it's own window,  or moved back to the Browser (The pane on the right that you can collapse or expand).  It's no longer a tab in the other Browser.
 
Clear???

Bristol_Jonesey
You must be missing something. You can have the Synth View docked in the Broswer:
 

That is hard to call "docked", it is "stacked". When something is docked, as in Multidock, it is possible to SWITCH between docked components. As with Media, Plug-ins and Notes (Synth Rack before). When something is stacked, it can be collapsed only. As with Help and Synth rack now.
 
I have not checked new alpha yet, but at the moment this "stacking" has some problems for me:

How to "restore" it with mouse after collapsing? It is possible by changing its window size, but that is not "restore". Key combination works, but that is not user friendly. Whatever module is "lower" can be collapsed/restored with one clip. The upper module has collapse throw menu and no self restore. It can not be even "undocked" by dragging!
 
Less important, but still:

Where is the Rack button? If the rest is collapsed, it is possible to open it in one click, it will restore the whole section, restore the browser and switch to the module in question. But not for rack.
 
The third effect: as soon as I add a Synth into undocked Rack, the rack disappear. When presented as a module, it collapse to the state I have shown before.
 
 

Keith Albright [Cakewalk]

azslow3
When I drag it to the Browser, it either ends on top of it or under it. But I have not found the way to "dock" it INTO the browser. Do I miss something?

That was an intentional change to allow both the media browser and the synth rack to be open at the same time.
 

azslow3
So what I observe has no advantages. I mean if the Synth rack COULD be removed from the Browser (to put into Multidock or place alone), that could be a "new helpful feature". For the moment it is just a "nasty change...".

You can certainly do that.  You can have the synth rack floating by itself, or as MDI like it used to be in SONAR 8.5
You can also dock it in the multidock.

I understand the intention, new features open some new possibility. But why it was not possible to add all that without removing the possibility to dock inside the multitab part of the browser, as it was in X1-Plat before? Also as a separate module stacked with browser, it can not show controls. So, as long as it is "around" the browser, it has no advantages over previous version, just wasting space when not hidden. When collapsed it still take some space, to hide it completely, I have to "undock" it first and then "kill". When I want it again, it sometimes restored as undocked, sometimes as stacked.
 
"allow both the media browser and the synth rack to be open at the same time" could mean I can drag and drop an Instrument into Rack from the browser.... No, I can not
 
No offense, probably I can deal with all that after some time.

I wish CW would do a comprehensive video about this. I confess I am utterly confused after reading all of the above.
For me the synth rack change fixed something that wasn't broke.