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Har-Bal updated to version 3.7

Har-Bal 3.7 Available for Mac and PC

Match Loudness – Will match your track to the perceived loudness of any commercial recording you input into Har-Bal. Loudness Compensation – Har-Bal leaves the initial volume level unchanged even after performing spectral correction (EQ changes) thanks to its “loudness compensation” algorithm. IntuitMatch and IntuitQ – “Eyes to the ears” is a more realistic slogan that we like. It does not mean give way to your eyes if your ears tell you everything you need. More the case that when you are struggling to hear what is wrong (but you know something is wrong) it can give visual insight. We don’t suggest you simply trust what you see and go by that. It’s an interactive process of listening and seeing and experimenting with changes. The key word here is “experimenting”.

New features!!

Dynamics Processing

The dynamics processing in Har-Bal is based entirely on the average level envelope that you see in the time-line. You create a transfer function to map the input average level to a new output average level and Har-Bal uses it to figure out what gain to apply dynamically prior to the limiter at any point in time. Unlike conventional dynamics processing, it doesn’t use attack – decay envelope extraction. The envelope it already has from the analysis. As such the gain change that tracks the music is in sync and symmetrical about the content. By that I mean with a normal compressor you would typically have a fast attack time and slow release which means that the gain quickly drops at the start of a transient and slowly rises at the tail after the transient.
Now you’ll probably think that makes no sense and will sound awful. However it doesn’t sound awful, and here is the reason why. In traditional compression we principally have fast attack and slow release because a compressor cannot predict the future so it doesn’t know when to pull down the level and if it does it slowly a very big transient will push through before it has a chance to bring it down. We have a slow release time because fast gain change will lead to a lot of distortion. Because Har-Bal knows the entire history of the track we don’t need fast attack because we know when to pull the level down. The net result is that the dynamics processing in Har-Bal works more like the volume riding technique of recording engineers of days gone past where they would adjust down the level while the music is being recorded because they knew when the loud parts were coming. This point is clearly illustrated in Figure 11, which shows the difference between envelope detection used traditionally and in Har-Bal.

Figure 11: A comparison of envelope detection in traditional and Har-Bal dynamics processing
By using a slow moving envelope for dynamics processing we ensure that the short term transient material remains largely unaltered and we simply change the relativity between loud and soft passages of a track. This also ensures that very little distortion is introduced by dynamics processing. These two factors are responsible for the clean sound of Har-Bal’s dynamics processing.
Download a tutorial (PDF) on using the Dynamic Node Tool here.

Mid / Side Decoding

Our Mid / Side decoding is defined by the following equations:
Mid = Left + Right
Side = Left – Right
You can see that with a mono source Side = 0 as Left = Right. So the level of the Side component relative the Mid component gives an indication of the stereo spread of your mix.
Now the basic Har-Bal 3 filter block has left and right channels being filtered by left and right filters, then being encoded into Mid and Side using the above scheme with Mid and Side filters applied to those components and then being decoded back into Left and Right.
To get back to Left and right we use the following equations:
Left = (Mid + Side) / 2
Right = (Mid – Side) / 2

The New Air Tool

Har-Bal Air as it is now has been replaced with a more powerful and natural sounding Haas zone ambiance process. The ways you use it will is still the same but it will sound better and have a greater range of possibilities, one of which is stereo’ising mono sources.
The effect the new Air has on the spectrum is actually rather small when used modestly. It is realized as a log normal random deviate applied to a unity gain all pass response with the variance of the deviate tapering at higher frequencies to add warmth. Without the taper it would sound too bright. How the Air then affects spectrum then depends upon whether the peaks and troughs of the Air response line up with the peaks in the spectrum. That alignment can’t be accurately re-constructed with the analysis results because the spectrum resolution is reduced to 1/12th octave and the peaking and troughing of the deviate is finer scale than that.

Time Splitting

Imagine if you will a great recorded part of a vocal that explodes in volume on a couple of notes. Those out of control bursts of sounds will show up as excessive peaks in the peak spectrum trace but not in the average trace as they occur rather infrequently.
Instead on manually trudging through the entire time trace to find the times at where those peaks occur you would use our tool based on placing a threshold line on the peak trace. Any time values with peaks above the line are selected and those below are not.
It’s complex selection not because the process is complex but the selected time line is patchy and discontinuous. But by selecting the time line in that manner and then controlling those errant peaks by highly selective filters that only act on the minimum amount of time required to fix the problem you end up with much better results.
Complex time selection and filtering is our take on how to control errant peaks in highly dynamic instruments such as vocal parts. The conventional approach is multiband compression, for which we have a disliking, mainly because to our mind it seems like a poor match to the problem at hand.
Har-Bal allows you to easily tidy up the sound quality of mastered or unmastered recordings while preserving the original intent of the producer and/or recording engineer.
Click here to read an interesting article about different genres of music and how Har-Bal assists in the process.

Minimum System Requirements:

Microsoft Windows –  XP SP3, Vista,Windows 7, 8 & Windows 10.
Apple – OS X 10.6
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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/17 22:21:44 (permalink)
If you are already a registered Har-Bal user the upgrade price is $12.00 USD plus tax.
 
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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/18 09:53:26 (permalink)
Hmm, Seems Paulo didn't "fix" this:
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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/18 10:16:27 (permalink)
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If you are already a registered Har-Bal user the upgrade price is $12.00 USD plus tax.
 


mine email said "You can upgrade from Har-Bal 2.3 to Har-Bal 3.7 for a fee of $41.95"
 
does it run as a plugin yet or is it still standalone?

just a sec

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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/18 10:26:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2016/12/18 10:26:55
mikedocy
If you are already a registered Har-Bal user the upgrade price is $12.00 USD plus tax.
 



To clarify, you need to already be on version 3 to qualify for the $12 upgrade price.

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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/18 13:42:33 (permalink)
Hair-Ball sits on the bench along with Jamstix as these are two products I can never send enough time with to get my head wrapped around them.
 
Yet, I keep them up to date.
post edited by bapu - 2016/12/18 14:38:09
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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/18 13:51:00 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2016/12/22 14:04:20
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mine email said "You can upgrade from Har-Bal 2.3 to Har-Bal 3.7 for a fee of $41.95"
does it run as a plugin yet or is it still standalone?



Unfortunately, No plug-in yet.
They have been talking about making a plug-in "EQ player" for years, but still no news about it.
 
The upgrade from version 3.x to 3.7 is 12 USD plus tax.
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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/19 01:55:30 (permalink)
So has anyone upgraded yet? Would like to know how this dynamics processing sounds. Does this mean we don't need to use a mastering limiter anymore?

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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/19 16:27:53 (permalink)
I will update as soon as they email me the $12 offer.
 
I purchased 3.0 under a now defunct email address (back in 2012). I just notified them of my email address change.
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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/19 22:23:06 (permalink)
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So has anyone upgraded yet? Would like to know how this dynamics processing sounds. Does this mean we don't need to use a mastering limiter anymore?



 
We still need to use our third-party mastering limiters.
Har-Bal's built-in limiter does not seem to be designed as an absolute final limiter.
It seems to be designed to give a very gentle leveling to be used prior to your favorite third-party limiter.
I use the Har-Bal limiter gain control to bring my songs up to a better level (around -15 or -16dB RMS) prior to using a third-party mastering limiter. 
When used this way the Har-Bal limiter bar-graph display shows very little activity; it is mostly off. There is very little limiting happening within Har-Bal.
 
Edit:
I used the same source material and compared the sound of the har-Bal limiter to Elephant.
Both limiters were set with enough gain to give me a -13dB RMS master.
Har-Bal was suffering, ie: pumping distortion, transients chopped off.
Elephant sounded completely usable, ie: not distorted, transients clamped but still sounded OK, no pumping.
 
 
 
     
post edited by mikedocy - 2016/12/20 22:30:43
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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/20 07:03:57 (permalink)
My offer went to spam. You can request a new email from the web page.
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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/21 21:24:28 (permalink)
I used to use this a lot to balance live backing tracks.  Was totally invaluable for that and worked great.  In the studio, I'll probably never touch it.  Tried home brew mastering and I always ended up making things worse.  I figure the day I bring it back to life, I'll pull $12 out of my wallet (if the offer is still valid), and go forward from there.  But for now...

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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/22 12:58:52 (permalink)
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My offer went to spam. You can request a new email from the web page.

They finally hooked me up.
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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/22 17:34:08 (permalink)
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mikedocy
If you are already a registered Har-Bal user the upgrade price is $12.00 USD plus tax.

mine email said "You can upgrade from Har-Bal 2.3 to Har-Bal 3.7 for a fee of $41.95"



I think we paid 30 dollars to go from 2.3 to 3.0.
Now 12 dollars to go from 3.0 to 3.7 equals 42 dollars total.
So Your $41.95 price is completely fair. 
 
Edit: I just checked my old receipt and I paid $29.95 for the 2.3 to 3.0 update.
29.95 + 12 = 41.95
 
 
 
 
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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/23 01:32:23 (permalink)
it all adds up

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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/24 19:33:33 (permalink)
no ideas of numbers but $12 times 3000 upgrades wouldn't be chump change.

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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/26 22:52:39 (permalink)
Thanks for posting- after reading, I found the offer in my email.

 
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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/27 02:09:52 (permalink)
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no ideas of numbers but $12 times 3000 upgrades wouldn't be chump change.

 
You are exaggerating and not being fair to the the Har-bal guys.
I paid 99 dollars for the very first version.
Then I paid about 30 dollars for an upgrade that was well worth it.
Then I paid 12 dollars for the latest update.
Done.
 
That said, this software is not for everyone. It is for those of us that want to have every available option for mastering and/or repairing audio tracks. You have to know what you want to do to the track to use the software. It does not magically fix your track. It is a very good tool to have when you know what your track needs.
 
 
 
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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/27 17:02:31 (permalink)
it is the best eq i own.

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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/27 17:55:45 (permalink)
It is my understanding that I need a wifi dongle connected at all times when using HB?
 
True-False ??

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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/27 18:26:56 (permalink)
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no ideas of numbers but $12 times 3000 upgrades wouldn't be chump change.


Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh tell me about it.
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Re: Har-Bal updated to version 3.7 2016/12/27 21:44:55 (permalink)
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It is my understanding that I need a wifi dongle connected at all times when using HB?
True-False ??



False.
No dongle required.
It does use a serial number and it generates an unlock code online (if I recall correctly).
But after that no internet required.
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