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2017/01/04 14:21:28 (permalink)

Tips on using Liquid Notes

Per Rocky's subtle request, I opened this thread for any tips on using this plugin. Please feel free to add anything useful.
I cut and pasted abacab's tip to start it off...
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"It's actually pretty easy to use!  Once installed, the standalone mode is ready to go.  Played around with that demo for a bit, then decided to explore the 3 part demo for "other" external sequencer (Splat in this case).
 
So to begin, I loaded up a new Sonar project with 3 MIDI tracks, and one instrument track with TTS-1.
 
Had to go into Sonar Preferences > MIDI > Devices, and enable the new MIDI input "01. Internal MIDI".  There are two available. but got it working fine with just one.  This enables Sonar to receive MIDI via the loopback thingy.
 
Set MIDI track #1 input to "01.  Internal MIDI ch. 1", set MIDI track #2 input to "01.  Internal MIDI ch. 2", then MIDI track #3 input to "01.  Internal MIDI ch. 3".  (In this simple demo, Liquid Notes sends three tracks out over MIDI ch. 1, 2, 3 via the internal MIDI loopback thingy)
 
Then I set each MIDI track 1, 2, & 3 to output as TTS-1 ch. 1, ch. 2, & ch. 10 (TTS-1 ch. 10 is the GM drum kit), respectively.  Set Echo on for each MIDI track.
 
Hit play in Liquid Notes and the LN played the demo through Sonar 
 
As far as the Java install went, I went to the Oracle Java page and installed the Java runtime before running the Liquid Notes installer.  The install went very smooth.  The Java runtime I used is at https://www.java.com/en/download/
 
* After the Java install it is best to go into Control Panel, click on the Java Control Panel, then in the security tab uncheck "Enable Java content in the browser".  This should remove any Java web plugins that the installer drops in browsers"

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Re: Tips on using Liquid Notes 2017/01/04 14:24:22 (permalink)

 
"In the video he imported the midi files with the changes back in.  I'm still trying to get the transports to sync as well. So far this is pretty cool. Maybe we should start a new thread in the software forum so this isn't buried.
 
Rocky"



(abacab's reply)
"Now that I've quit banging my head, I have reached the conclusion that the transports do not sync.  Using the virtual MIDI cable to play back the synth sounds in your DAW creates an illusion, but it's just a MIDI input port, not a re-wire type setup. 
 
So my conclusion here is:
 
1. Export your DAW project as a .mid file.
 
2. Open the .mid file in Liquid Notes, and make the desired changes.
 
3. Drag the modified Liquid Notes project back onto the desktop via the LN GUI "arrow" icon as a .mid file, or use the File > Export MIDI  menu function.
 
4. Drag the new .mid from Liquid Notes onto the clips pane in your existing Sonar project. [a] If you position the cursor over your existing MIDI tracks it will replace them.  If you drag the file to the empty area below any existing tracks, it will add new MIDI tracks containing the modified LN tracks.  [c] If you just open the .mid file, it will open as a basic .mid file based on your Sonar settings, defaulted to the basic channel settings from the LN project.
 
*In the case of 4 b or c,  you may need to reset the outputs for each MIDI track in Sonar."

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Re: Tips on using Liquid Notes 2017/01/04 14:42:26 (permalink)
Thanks for for starting this Fred, Mesh. Much needed. Ewe Dumb Ann.

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Re: Tips on using Liquid Notes 2017/01/04 16:14:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby BassDaddy 2017/01/05 10:43:11
Bookmarked this page in case I ever forget how this works.  LOL! 

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Re: Tips on using Liquid Notes 2017/01/04 16:15:40 (permalink)
Liquid Notes official YouTube page:
https://www.youtube.com/user/LiquidNotesOfficial
 
Review of Re-Compose Liquid Notes, from Studio One Expert (good overview):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu-XScV3Oao
 
Re-Compose Liquid Notes Tour - Advanced Harmony Analysis, from Plugin Boutique:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TESg0vZIPlI
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Re: Tips on using Liquid Notes 2017/01/04 17:23:00 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby Mesh 2017/01/05 08:33:27
Thanks Mesh.  I tried to do this and my day jog got in the way.
 
edit: that's job, I tried jogging but my beer kept foaming up.
 
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Re: Tips on using Liquid Notes 2017/01/05 10:43:27 (permalink)
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Bookmarked this page in case I ever forget how this works.  LOL! 


Lol, +1

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Re: Tips on using Liquid Notes 2017/01/05 12:11:51 (permalink)
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I tried jogging but my beer kept foaming up.

Mental note: don't jog
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Re: Tips on using Liquid Notes 2017/01/05 14:39:48 (permalink)
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I noticed Liquid Notes added a whole bunch of virtual midi ports.  I hope this doesn't create the midi device limit in Windows that have only happened to me twice in my life.




LoopBe30 http://www.nerds.de/en/loopbe30.html was installed by Liquid Notes to facilitate the virtual MIDI cable (port).  You only need one port to run Liquid Notes with Sonar (or probably any other DAW).
 
Look in your Windows system tray notification icons area (may be hidden) for LoopBe30 Monitor.  There should be an icon for LoopBe30.  Open it, and the panel should be self explanatory.
 
It looks like you can set it up for up to 30 ports, but it appears to have defaulted to 16.  Set it to 2 and reboot.
 
By the way this thingy sells for $20, so it is a nice bonus tossed in with Liquid Notes! 

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Re: Tips on using Liquid Notes 2017/01/05 14:42:30 (permalink)
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Liquid Notes supposedly includes LoopBe 30. If that is a fully functional version of LoopBe, it would be cheaper than buying it alone. Does anyone know if it is, or if it only works in LiquidNotes?



 
It shows up in Sonar as midi inputs and outputs so it appears to be fully functional and not locked to Liquid Notes.
It defaults to 16 channels but that can be changed  to make it 1 to 30 channels with a control box selection and reboot.
It gets installed along with Liquid Notes. It is not a separate install. You cannot install only LoopBe30.
The icon for it appears in the "Start menu"
It auto-runs when the PC is started regardless if Liquid Notes is started or not.
I can close it in the tray then reopen it from the icon.
 
Furthermore, LoopBe30 shows up in "Programs and features" as a separate uninstaller.
So in conclusion, it sure appears to be the full version of LoopBe30. 
 



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Re: Tips on using Liquid Notes 2017/01/05 14:47:15 (permalink)
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In response to Kenny..
I bought Liquid Notes because it looked like it might be useful and the price was right.
I installed it ok but it wants to d/l Java to make it functional. I had removed anything Java from my computer a while ago b/c of all the malware exploits associated with it so not sure how I want to go forward. But I think you run into those problems only when your browser uses Java (or java script? not sure)

I'm sure someone here knows more about it than me..




@bjorn, kenny, lawajava, and anybody else with concerns about Java...  I will echo mikedocy and his remark #2 above regarding the Java runtime.
 
The Java runtime and development environment are different from the browser plugin.
 
I have deleted the Java browser plug from all of my browsers and highly recommend everybody do so.  After Flash, it is one of the most common ways for web exploit kits to mangle your PC.  No self respecting web dev still uses Java in the browser anymore, anyway.  It need to die faster than Flash!!!
 
The thing about applications written in Java, rather than C++, is that it is not a compiled language.  It needs a Java runtime interpreter (like a VST dll file needs a host DAW app to run ) to execute on your PC.
 
So you can safely install the Java runtime and run Java apps with the same peace of mind as normal Windows apps, as long as you are certain that the code is to be trusted.  Same applies with any Windows exe program.  Is the code signed and/or do you trust the publisher?
 

 
As far as the Java install went, I went to the Oracle Java page and installed the Java runtime before running the Liquid Notes installer.  The install went very smooth.  The Java runtime I used is at https://www.java.com/en/download/
 
* After the Java install it is best to go into Control Panel, click on the Java Control Panel, then in the security tab uncheck "Enable Java content in the browser".  This should remove any Java web plugins that the installer drops in browsers"



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Re: Tips on using Liquid Notes 2017/01/05 15:35:05 (permalink)
Just to keep everyone on their toes, I'm going to cut these tips and paste it in the Deals Forum.
 

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Re: Tips on using Liquid Notes 2017/01/05 15:45:59 (permalink)
Klaatu!

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Re: Tips on using Liquid Notes 2017/01/05 16:57:36 (permalink)
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Re: Tips on using Liquid Notes 2017/01/05 17:10:24 (permalink)
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Re: Tips on using Liquid Notes 2017/01/06 08:26:53 (permalink)
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Re: Tips on using Liquid Notes 2017/01/06 08:50:12 (permalink)
I wanted to get my head around how loopbe30 connects LN to Sonar. I found this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57afXavIO7Q&t=125s 
 
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