paul jenkins
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How do you change tempo map or what process should i take working with tempo changes?
HI, so i learnt how to drag audio up to timeline to create a tempo map that follows the audio, it speeds up and slows down, next step, i figure out the best click tempos and at which points the song should change.......but how do i attack this......i go into project and i change tempo to 120bpm for example at bar 1, however it only stays 120bpm until the next change of tempo, so how do i wipe the slate clean and have tempo 120 from 0.0.0 to 0.20.00 and then 80bpm from 0.21.00 etc.......just a little confused about the best process.......i learnt about this cause i posted that i had trouble figuring out click tempos, im a guitarist mainly
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Re: How do you change tempo map or what process should i take working with tempo changes?
2017/01/13 00:45:37
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☄ Helpfulby jacksop 2017/07/18 18:55:32
I always find very useful working on Tempo Map window (you can open it with Alt+Shift+5), there you can change, delete and insert new tempos with good precision.
Hope this could be helpful to you. Cheers.
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paul jenkins
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Re: How do you change tempo map or what process should i take working with tempo changes?
2017/01/13 01:07:58
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Thanx alberto, but pressing alt+shift+5......orAlt+shift+S..it didnt open the tempo map window, it did nothing for me, i tried it a few times..still didnt work
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Re: How do you change tempo map or what process should i take working with tempo changes?
2017/01/13 01:46:38
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Go to the Views menu, top upper left, at the right of File and Edit options, there click on Tempo, that action should open the tempo window on Multidock easily.
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paul jenkins
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Re: How do you change tempo map or what process should i take working with tempo changes?
2017/01/13 02:02:38
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Ok got that, thanx......so im drawing freehand with the pen tool, how do i draw a straight line...or make a section of the song all 120bpm (for xample)?
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Re: How do you change tempo map or what process should i take working with tempo changes?
2017/01/13 02:05:37
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sorry to be asking such simple questions..but im a performer 1st and once i learn this stuff ill be able to record some great music.......Im attempting to record an album with me playing every instrument this year......i need to learn this stuff...all the help i can get is appreciated
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Re: How do you change tempo map or what process should i take working with tempo changes?
2017/01/13 13:21:14
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☄ Helpfulby robbyk 2017/01/13 15:04:16
Place the Now line where you want the tempo change. Go to Project>Insert Tempo Change. Set the tempo you want, click the Insert New Tempo button and away we go!
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Re: How do you change tempo map or what process should i take working with tempo changes?
2017/01/13 14:04:24
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what is the source, you are dragging in to Sonar ? (your guide track) Is it from Tape ?
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Re: How do you change tempo map or what process should i take working with tempo changes?
2017/01/13 14:49:35
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Hello - What I do in Tempo View is to set the snap setting to eights or sixteenths. Then just click where I want to change tempos. It stays in a straight line until I change it. The reason for the snap is so when I want to edit a tempo, it edits at the exact place every time. You can also draw lines & patterns, but generally I do it as I described. Hope this helps.
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paul jenkins
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Re: How do you change tempo map or what process should i take working with tempo changes?
2017/01/13 19:38:14
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Yeah chuck, im starting with a rythem guitar track.......it did my head in trying to figure out click tempos, and so i was introduced to dragging the guitar to the timeline to create tempo map........which yeah, that gives me a good rough idea of what the tempo should be, and where the changes should be
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Re: How do you change tempo map or what process should i take working with tempo changes?
2017/01/13 19:42:30
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But yeah, once you do this, it usually ceates a thousand tempo changes (120.3, 122,119etc)......So i guess i could just make note of the changes and undo the tempo map?
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Re: How do you change tempo map or what process should i take working with tempo changes?
2017/01/13 19:47:00
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And yeah, i dont know how to draw a straight line in tempo veiw window...........Im in sonar not photoshop
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Re: How do you change tempo map or what process should i take working with tempo changes?
2017/01/13 19:51:13
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And like, i went into project set new tempo, and it only changed it for like one bar, and then goes back to the tempo it was afterwards
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Re: How do you change tempo map or what process should i take working with tempo changes?
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Re: How do you change tempo map or what process should i take working with tempo changes?
2017/01/14 11:01:24
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here goes my advise in a nut shell... Break the parts of the song up in to sections. Hook, Verse, Bridge, Chorus and so on.. Then listen to each section and use the tap tempo button in project/insert tempo. once you have determined all the different tempo changes write them all down. Start a new project and use the insert new tempo feature. (this of course includes mapping out the beats of your song.) trying to match a tempo to a pre recorded riff can cause a lot of issues especially with tempo drifting. everything and I mean everything, every little riff can be mapped and often should be to keep consistent musical time frame.
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Re: How do you change tempo map or what process should i take working with tempo changes?
2017/01/14 20:11:56
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Yeah cool chuck, thanx mate!!!
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Re: How do you change tempo map or what process should i take working with tempo changes?
2017/01/14 20:49:53
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And yeah chuck, just tried both methods, dragging audio to timeline gave me an average tempo of 132bpm, which when i tried to play over it....nope......i began bashing head against the wall........then i tried tap tempo method, as you suggested, came u with 91bpm,.....and yes it feels right to play over.......So thanx for your priceless advidce once again
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Re: How do you change tempo map or what process should i take working with tempo changes?
2017/01/14 21:47:07
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paul jenkins And yeah chuck, just tried both methods, dragging audio to timeline gave me an average tempo of 132bpm, which when i tried to play over it....nope......i began bashing head against the wall........then i tried tap tempo method, as you suggested, came u with 91bpm,.....and yes it feels right to play over.......So thanx for your priceless advidce once again
No probs man. I do a lot of Tempo matching projects and I've tried a lot of different methods within sonar. Matching to Tape is the hardest because of capstan motor variations. but once a structure can be established then the tempos can be rebuilt with precision, discarding the original scratch track/tracks.
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Re: How do you change tempo map or what process should i take working with tempo changes?
2017/01/14 22:17:18
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I think if you are having the project follow the detected tempo, that any time those detected tempos change, it will overwrite anything you had set up prior to that, so if you are going to use your own tempos, make sure other tempo changes aren't then coming along after and making additional tempo changes that you no longer want. I usually do my own tempos - though if trying to match project to detected tempo it could get pretty weird (like what you seem to be going through). But the way I look at it, if I am matching up to an imported track's tempo, then I don't know why I would then want to insert additional tempo changes of my own within the other tempos. Bob Bone
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