occide
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AI based sample manager?
Everything is rigged with artificial "intelligence" these days. Is there a software that can scan, recognize and organize a library of audio samples? I've been back to making music for only about 4 weeks. In that time period I already got 25GB of quality samples and MIDI files, only by looking for freebies and investing less than 10 bucks on couple of music magazines. I've also invested hours and hours in sorting those files. Not all sample packs are named or sorted in a way that would make sense. I'm only half way through and getting tired. Fantastic times we're living in, people are throwing more soundware at me than I can take. There's tons of stuff like that for Photos, like Googles Picasa for example. Anything for audio?
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mudgel
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Re: AI based sample manager?
2017/01/18 04:34:37
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occide
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Re: AI based sample manager?
2017/01/18 04:38:44
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mudgel There can be different sample types so most sample libraries have host. Eg Kontakt libraries have their own librarian in the Kontakt program/Plugin. East west have their own Play program and associated librarian to control and manage samples. Licensing is major issue. The Kontakt ease free to use in your own productions but the samples themselves are tied to Kontakt by licence. It's the same for all the sample libraries I know of.
So you mean something like a cloud-based analysis could collide with licensing? That's probably true and I haven't thought about it yet. Still an AI algorithm could run locally on the PC.. The samples I collected are all royalty free to use in both commercial and uncommercial productions. Just wave and midi files.
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Re: AI based sample manager?
2017/01/18 04:57:22
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Probably not the licnecimg of the samples themselves but every sample library comes with scripts that form the instrument, that instrument is designed to run using a specific sample library..
I guess you're talking about some external program cataloging all you samples. But to what advantage?
There's also the way the samples were recorded to consider.
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occide
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Re: AI based sample manager?
2017/01/18 06:01:40
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mudgel Probably not the licnecimg of the samples themselves but every sample library comes with scripts that form the instrument, that instrument is designed to run using a specific sample library..
I guess you're talking about some external program cataloging all you samples. But to what advantage?
There's also the way the samples were recorded to consider.
Let me give you an example to show what I mean. The samples I get are usually organized like this: Loopmasters_CM239.zip |_ Loopmasters CM239 |_ LM_DOPE_WAX_BEATS_DEMOS |_ Hits |_ DWB_83_Drums_Dust.wav, DWB_86_Bb_Mushroom_DreamPad.wav, DWB_86_Bb_Mushroom_Guitar.wav... |_ LM_GUITARRISTAS_DEMOS |_ ... While producing it's a lot more fun to browse it like this: Samples |_ Drumloops |_ Guitarloops |_ Kicks |_ Snares ... With the original structure I wouldn't be able to find anything, cause I don't know what's inside the countless subfolders. So I'm usually using the Windows search for various keywords, like "*beat*.wav", "*kick*.wav", involving various strategies like sorting the results by size, pre-listening, filtering the results again etc. But this is a tedious, tiring & time-consuming process that is prone to all sorts of errors. E.g. some samples are actually loops but are labelled like "kick_groove.wav" and accidentally go into the "kicks" folder. Some samples I'd like to go into the "drones" section, but the creator labelled them "drone_140bpm.wav" and I searched before for the term "bpm" to distinguish between loops and instruments, so this was sorted wrong, too. There must be a better way to do this. Common, people here probably laugh about my 25GB and already have collected / bought terabytes of samples.
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Re: AI based sample manager?
2017/01/18 06:45:24
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Most of my nearly 3TB of samples are all stored according to the vendor and program which runs them. That means I'm never looking for a single sample as the instrument packages them all as they are required. Eg samples of a particular instrument, its pitch, it's duration etc and other characteristics like bit depth and sample rate.
To be able to create instruments the samples need to be stored in a particular way. If I need an individual sample I can still search through the library for a single sample. Some libraries Los store samples in proprietary ways so they can be searched and loaded into memory much faster.
I also have a few libraries of sound fx and miscellaneous sounds where the samples a listed alphabetically which I agree is useless especially for files that have been named numerically. Not naming sound file properly is just lazy post production work if you ask me.
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Re: AI based sample manager?
2017/01/18 09:18:31
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I sort my samples by Program / vendor then vendor (for generic loops & samples) My Kontakt libs are further separated into player & non-player then vendor. Whatever system you come up with try to keep it relatively simple otherwise it will become impossible to maintain. Dealing with updates, patches, etc. can be a major pain as is without having to hunt down where things went. A sample librarian program that can organize & track samples by sample type, vendor, libraries and disk locations is a great concept but I've not seen anyone actually pull it off. Over the years I've seen a number of people / companies try.
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Re: AI based sample manager?
2017/01/18 10:28:34
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you still have to be careful with samples .. if something is a "demo" it's to give you an idea of what the full product, doesn't mean you can use it gratis sometimes, it depends case to case.. you can use it , BUT they expect you to buy the full product if you are gaining from it money wise. the music I make is sample based, so yer there have been a few "interesting" times where I know of people getting a call from the record pressing plant, regarding who got the records pressed, due to a sample being used. someone I know of used a vocal sample cd.. BUT they ended up paying the singer in question on top of the price of the cd, after they got wind of their voice being used in a tune. the licence on the cd stated, that the extra fee needed paying. most samplers I use have a preview mode as do most DAW browser windows. you might find you can reduce your sample lib also .e.g. on CM disks they have multi formats, or if it's every note sampled.. I only keep the "c" 's of . .. when you grew up with 1-32mb akai, you get a bit frugal :)
and the usual.. keep backups of them also.
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occide
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Re: AI based sample manager?
2017/01/25 07:09:05
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I didn't find any answers about this problem in my thread, but I'd like to add what I came across my journey about this topic. None of those though use "AI" to help you organize your samples, still I think they can be helpful: Slice is a cloud-based sample platform / service that is probably a bit expensive for hobbyist though technically it's likely the best option Soundly is quite similar to Slice but way smaller and aiming at a different audience. The sample browser is pretty fast and works for local samples, too. The pro version is also pretty expensive but you can add the huge freesound creative commons library free of charge. Yet it lags many options. It's freemium* Mixed in Key is a local Software that helps indexing samples and songs with accurate tempo and key attributes. It's made for DJs but supposed to work well with samples, and even better than e.g. "Open Key" built in Traktor. Costs around $60 Metadigger has been recommended by Computer Music Magazine. I haven't used it yet and can't really see the benefits compared to the Windows Search. It's free Loopmasters announced a cloud platform based on the samples you buy there. In the future the service may or may not be extended to backup your local samples to the cloud *Soundly is well worth a look, they also offer premium sample packs from well know sites at a reduced price.
post edited by occide - 2017/01/25 07:34:22
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