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January 28, 17 8:37 AM (permalink)

New L-Phase plugins

Can the new L-Phase plug-ins now be used in the mixing stage for tracks?
I ask this because, as I understood it, they introduced latency and were meant for mastering.
If that is the case, then it seems like a good update, giving an added edge to the plethora of EQ options.
 
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Re: New L-Phase plugins January 28, 17 8:56 AM (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby FCCfirstclass January 28, 17 10:05 AM
They can be used at any stage of production. Keep in mind ALL linear phase plug-ins introduce latency when using their linear phase algorithms. Some, including the new L-Phase plug-ins, have alternate algorithms that do not add latency. To use the L-Phase plug-ins when latency matters, set the Precision to Non-Linear in the plug-ins Expert settings.
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Re: New L-Phase plugins January 28, 17 9:29 AM (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby FCCfirstclass January 28, 17 10:05 AM
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They can be used at any stage of production. Keep in mind ALL linear phase plug-ins introduce latency when using their linear phase algorithms. Some, including the new L-Phase plug-ins, have alternate algorithms that do not add latency. To use the L-Phase plug-ins when latency matters set the Precision to Non-Linear in the plug-ins Expert settings.




Hey scook, just did quick run through of the new presets in the L-Phase Equalizer.  Very nice!
 
The two preset categories are now "Mastering" and "Mixing".
 
The 31 presets in "Mixing" all default to a non-linear setting in the "Expert" menu, so an adjustment is no longer required, when using these.
 
When you first insert the plugin, it is set to a "Default" preset, with a Medium precision linear phase setting.  But if you choose one of the "Mixing" presets, it automatically selects non-linear.  Of course, once you save a project, it recalls your settings.
 
On the other hand, all of the "Mastering" presets use the "Medium" precision linear setting.  These will still require an adjustment in the "Expert" menu, if you wish to override the default setting.

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Re: New L-Phase plugins January 28, 17 10:10 AM (permalink)
Thanks for your time and kind reply. Never stop learning from the kind folk on the server.
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Re: New L-Phase plugins January 28, 17 1:05 PM (permalink)
I honestly don't see why "mixing" presets default to minimum phase, most times I'd want linear phase during mixing, unless I'm doing significant low cuts or something. Latency is never an issue during mixing, only during tracking.
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Re: New L-Phase plugins January 28, 17 2:22 PM (permalink)
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I honestly don't see why "mixing" presets default to minimum phase, most times I'd want linear phase during mixing, unless I'm doing significant low cuts or something. Latency is never an issue during mixing, only during tracking.



You can create a new folder in the presets menu, call it whatever you like, and then modify and save your versions of the presets there at whatever precision you want.

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Re: New L-Phase plugins January 28, 17 5:22 PM (permalink)
Yeah it was just a general musing as I don't see why one would assume linear phase is only useful for mastering. Maybe it's a CPU thing? Latency shouldn't be an issue during most mixing processes.
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Re: New L-Phase plugins January 28, 17 5:52 PM (permalink)
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Yeah it was just a general musing as I don't see why one would assume linear phase is only useful for mastering. Maybe it's a CPU thing? Latency shouldn't be an issue during most mixing processes.




If you only work with soft synths it can be a big deal unless you freeze them first.

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Re: New L-Phase plugins January 28, 17 5:58 PM (permalink)
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Latency should still be irrelevant unless you're tracking.
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Re: New L-Phase plugins January 28, 17 6:15 PM (permalink)
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Latency should still be irrelevant unless you're tracking.



That's exactly what I'm saying.  That these tools are very useful for tracking.  Just skip the linear precision, which is not necessary for tracking.  The original versions had the default mode and all presets set to linear, which was a pain to disable every time you switched to a new preset.
 
They have different modes, linear, or non-linear, depending on what you need to do.
 
I think the sound shaping features of these plugins makes them some of the best all purpose FX tools that Platinum provides.  The interfaces are very usable, and I especially like the way that you can just drag the bands around, solo them, etc, it's very cool!

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Re: New L-Phase plugins January 29, 17 5:09 AM (permalink)
Right, ok so then I don't know why we're discussing that since we're in total agreement ;)

I just said that latency should be irrelevant during most MIXING processes.
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Re: New L-Phase plugins January 29, 17 6:33 AM (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mitch_I January 29, 17 1:52 PM
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Right, ok so then I don't know why we're discussing that since we're in total agreement ;)

I just said that latency should be irrelevant during most MIXING processes.

I have tried to write about this topic in several threads, may be I just should find a good post in the internet or write it myself.
 
When people speak about the latency, they normally mean hardware and or driver settings related latency. Plug-ins do not influence such kind of latency till they are too CPU hungry and particular system produce pops and clicks with low buffer settings. This latency has an order of 5-20 milliseconds.
 
When some plug-in requires look ahead information, they are working like a delay. They are still working inside hardware and driver guided latency, the effect is not CPU related. They delay by intention, the effect they produce requires this delay, even if the algorithms can be executed on 10 years old computer with close to no CPU consumption.
 
So, plug-ins can be divided in classes, based on how big that delay is:
  • plug-ins with zero delay. That does not mean they require no time to execute, that means once they receive an INPUT BUFFER (32, 64, 128, .... 1024 samples, does not matter), after processing, they produce the OUTPUT FOR THIS INPUT BUFFER. Such plug-ins are suitable for recording/tracking, they introduce no delay. In other words, DAW monitoring for recorded input will not be delayed in case such plug-in is inserted into the monitoring chain.
  • plug-ins with 1-10ms delay. Such plug-ins, when they receive some INPUT BUFFER produce the OUTPUT FOR THE BUFFER THEY HAVE RECEIVED 1-5ms AGO. Effectively they act as a delay effect, in addition to what they really do. Such plug-ins are good for mixing. In some situation for tracking, but it can be already feasible to NOT put these effects into monitoring chain, and use Disable Plug-in Delay Compensation feature (which just mean that monitoring chain should not wait for all delayed effects in playback chains).
  • plug-ins with up to 1 second delay. And here we are with currently discussed linear phase plug-ins, which with extreme settings add ~0.7 seconds (each! if you put EQ + Compressor, that will be ~1.4 second). That is ok for mastering, where the goal is the best possible quality. But during mixing, when you control the result of changing many parameters, that can be rather inconvenient.
So, the answer on the original question: try to put 3 LP EQs with "slow/hi" settings on the master bus and start balance just 2 track volumes... You will need the LifeTime Platinum, since mixing one song is going to take the life time

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Re: New L-Phase plugins January 29, 17 12:54 AM (permalink)
Interesting tutorial here:
 
Equalizers Tutorial
In this tutorial we cut through the confusion surrounding equalizers by focusing on the different types of EQ devices and highlighting the pros & cons of each.
https://www.meldaproduction.com/text-tutorials/equalizers

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