Keni
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Strange Volume Difference Unfreezing/Re-Freezing AD2 since 2017.01
I just had a strange experience. Maybe something I did and don't remember or realize?
I unfroze my AD2 and the volume of all outputs seems to have dropped 4db...?
If I undo the unFreeze, the gain is correct.
As I needed to do some edits I did so and then froze the increased all outputs 4db and Re-Frozed
Volumes are correct. Un-Freezing remains consistent. Did something change in MIDI that may have caused this?
Nothing major. I didn't have time to explore more thoughts such as if I now needed to increase MIDI velocities as opposed to the instrument outputs of AD2? They sound right... I think... So I'm guessing it's the output volume itself which was always typically loud to begin with! ;-)
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Keni
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Re: Strange Volume Difference Unfreezing/Re-Freezing AD2 since 2017.01
2017/02/11 15:30:59
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Hmmm...
No one else? Is there a thread I missed?
A different piece. Freezing AD2 and/or Session Drummer 2 is giving different levels after freezing.
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Re: Strange Volume Difference Unfreezing/Re-Freezing AD2 since 2017.01
2017/02/11 16:49:08
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☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2017/02/11 17:01:29
Any chance you recorded the audio for the synth track and the midi? It may be that you are playing back both. Just a thought.
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Keni
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Re: Strange Volume Difference Unfreezing/Re-Freezing AD2 since 2017.01
2017/02/11 17:18:14
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Thanks...
Not sure what you mean, but I did as I always have in both pieces. I have a midi track feeding the vsynth with numerous audio outs (discrete per piece)...
I simply froze my he track and all of the resultant frozen tracks are a good ~4db louder. Unfreezing returns to the "correct" level.
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Re: Strange Volume Difference Unfreezing/Re-Freezing AD2 since 2017.01
2017/02/11 17:20:20
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If you didn't record the audio outs then my suggestion isn't helpful.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Keni
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Re: Strange Volume Difference Unfreezing/Re-Freezing AD2 since 2017.01
2017/02/11 19:22:38
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Thanks though. I appreciate all attempts!
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Re: Strange Volume Difference Unfreezing/Re-Freezing AD2 since 2017.01
2017/02/11 19:25:04
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usually when volume is impacted by @3dB it's a doubling of the audio somehow. Maybe a send that is coming back? Are you routing the sound out twice somehow? or duplicating?
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Keni
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Re: Strange Volume Difference Unfreezing/Re-Freezing AD2 since 2017.01
2017/02/11 19:40:27
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Nothing unusual. The same as I've been doing for years.
AD2 multi-outs into Sonar so I process each piece there myself. The same nth outs go to a subgroup for drums which goes to the master.
I've been running this way for years and I have not seen this happen before...
Thanks.
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Re: Strange Volume Difference Unfreezing/Re-Freezing AD2 since 2017.01
2017/02/12 01:12:33
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Just in one project?
My test would be
Save the AD2 kit inside of AD2 where you can name your own kits.
Save and Close old project
start a new blank project
Insert AD2
play - observe vol. level
freeze
compare
If then it's just in that one project
I'd totally remove AD2 (but keep any midi pointing at AD2)
Delete all associated audio tracks and busses related to AD2
Insert a new instace of AD2 and test to see if problem is gone.
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Keni
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Re: Strange Volume Difference Unfreezing/Re-Freezing AD2 since 2017.01
2017/02/12 09:56:20
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Thanks Steve.
I freeze and unfreeze my tracks often during the work on a song.
I've now found this same issue on a second song (so far "every" song).
I call my drum setup from a template I created long ago when we first received AD2 so it is the same in each of my songs until I tweak anything for the new song created.
Of course this is no major snafu, but something is wrong when I freeze and it just started happening.
Not sure why and it seems no one else is experiencing it so it must be something local.
I will start a new project and painstakingly triple-check my procedures to scrutinize this more...
Thanks!
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Re: Strange Volume Difference Unfreezing/Re-Freezing AD2 since 2017.01
2017/02/12 11:38:26
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It might be the old template.
I'd try recreating a new one to see if that fixes the issue.
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Keni
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Re: Strange Volume Difference Unfreezing/Re-Freezing AD2 since 2017.01
2017/02/12 12:27:35
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Why would it suddenly change? I've used it in every release for years. I rebuilt it from AD to AD2 and have not touched it since?
Thanks, but I think something else is going on. When I compose my drum parts all is well until I freeze and r turns to my expectations if I unfreeze...
Weird!
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Re: Strange Volume Difference Unfreezing/Re-Freezing AD2 since 2017.01
2017/02/12 12:39:31
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That's a logical trouble shooting step to eliminate the possibility that it is the template.
Just put a new instance in a new blank project without using a template and see if the problem persists.
If it's ok with the new attempt then you've got your answer.
If it's still odd after freezing then you know what else to look at.
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Re: Strange Volume Difference Unfreezing/Re-Freezing AD2 since 2017.01
2017/02/12 12:57:42
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Freezing mono synth outputs has always added 3dB. I'm not sure why the Bakers have allowed this to persist; it's a pain. I often use stereo outputs for synths even when the source is a monophonic sample just to avoid this. Unfortunately, it's not possible to do that with drum synths that use the two sides of each stereo pair for different kit piece outputs. But is doesn't happen when bouncing so I usually leave Drum synths unfrozen.
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Keni
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Re: Strange Volume Difference Unfreezing/Re-Freezing AD2 since 2017.01
2017/02/12 13:55:55
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Hmmm...
I have not experienced this with mono outputs ever before. This is even more strange given this new info.
Freezing has been working just fine here on both mono/stereo freezes all the time for me until 2017.01...
I did just started a fresh project, inserted AD2 and quickly tested freezing and it appears to be a near 4db difference (peak sonar metering)...
I don't want to, but maybe I should roll back to 2016.12 and see if it truly performs differently.
I can't imagine that all this time my mono out were coming back hot and I didn't notice? I believe I would have noticed, eh?
So I'm thinking there must be some changes that are making some systems behave differently?
Obviously it is not show stopping, but it is disconcerting...
Thanks guys....
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Re: Strange Volume Difference Unfreezing/Re-Freezing AD2 since 2017.01
2017/02/12 16:52:11
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The 3dB gain when freezing mono synth outputs has been an issue going back to SONAR 5. Correcting it with the Gain slider has become such a habit that I don't even think about it anymore. It'd be a greater inconvenience if they suddenly fixed it.
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Keni
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Re: Strange Volume Difference Unfreezing/Re-Freezing AD2 since 2017.01
2017/02/12 19:24:15
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Yeah, I know what you mean bitflipper...
I wasn't having the issue prior to 2017.1
I wonder why?
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