fif4lifefif
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Motherboard messed up?
Hey, I just was putting together this system: Athlon 2500 333 FSB 512 RAM 160 GB Audio 4 GB System GeForce4 MX440 Video Delta 1010 DVD Burner Rackmount case I put it all together, set my jumpers, and flipped the switch. Fans starting whirring away, everything seemed fine. But then nothing came up on my monitor! And then, when I hit the power switch again, it clicked off, then clicked right back on! The computer WILL NOT turn off without switching off the power supply. I don't think the problem lies in the power supply, though, because DVD Burner opens, and I can hear the hard drives zipping away. So I switched the video card for another (same specs). Same problem. Did the same with the RAM. Still no results. I took out the Delta card, still nothing. Finally, I switched the PROCESSOR, and STILL nothing on the monitor. Now, this motherboard has been sitting around for about 9 months or so. Could the CMOS battery be dead? And if so, could this be my problem?? Or could not having a floppy drive make my system not boot? Or (scary music) do I need a new motherboard? Thanks a lot! -Vince
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 22, 05 7:13 PM
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CMOS batteries are designed to last at least 5 years, but it could have been 4 years old when you got it... You probably have to hold hte front panel power button down for 5 sec before it will send a shut off command to the BIOS. So, you are certain that your VID card is good, and it's bus specs are correct for the MoBo (AGP2X or better)? Youy are sure you have a good monitor (self test)? You don't need audio cards, hard drives, floppy drives, etc to POST the sytem. You need a CPU, System RAM, power,and VID. You won't boot, but you should get a POST beep and the display will tell you no boot device then prompt for a keystroke to enter system BIOS. You should have a green LED on the monitor, not yellow (Usually - check documentation some are different) check MoBo user's guide for a "safe boot" jumper setting
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fif4lifefif
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 22, 05 7:28 PM
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Yep, holding the power button for 5 sec. doesn't work. And I thought that was a windows OS thing? Hm. But yea, I know that all of the switched-in parts work, because they are used in my home computer. And I also know that the video card meets the spec. The monitor is fine, it's been used by me before, and has been up until 3 days ago, when I ran into problems  . No POSTing. No beep. Nothing on the monitor. Just an orange, blinking LED. thanks for your help.
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 22, 05 7:39 PM
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seems like you covered all the bases, but - be certain your RAM is the right speed (not simply clock speed, but it's internal timing ex: 5-3-3-5 vs 2-3-3-4), check MoBo docs for CLEAR CMOS and SAFE BOOT jumper settings, and spring for a new CMOS battery (<$5 most likely). Hey if you pull the RAM, most boards will give an error code like 3 beeps-pause-3 beeps-pause - that tells you you have paower to the board and the CPU, but no RAM to shadow BIOS code into. If the RAM goes back in and then you no beep no more, you have a RAM issue but probably not MoBo
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fif4lifefif
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 22, 05 7:44 PM
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Hmm. Ok. I have cleared the CMOS many times with no luck. no safe boot jumper :-\ I'll try the thing with the RAM. I know the RAM is all good, because I tested both sticks in 3 different computers. So at this point, would it be safe to say that I have a MoBo problem? By the way, thanks a LOT for your help. -Vince
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 22, 05 7:53 PM
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yes, I think it is safe to say that you might have a MB problem, but it is also safe to say that it could be repaired - ex: cold solder on a memory socket or power socket (power to CPU is not on the same cable as power to main board, in most designs) and getting a new CMOS battery is not an expensive risk....
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fif4lifefif
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 22, 05 7:55 PM
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Alright. I'll def. check the battery. Can a bad CMOS battery cause a PC not to POST? Or just not to save CMOS settings? I'm so confused about that Thanks again, -Vince
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 22, 05 10:51 PM
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Not that I've heard about as far as a bad CMOS bat. I ran a machine for 2 tears without one once (DOS days). But as far as your MB being all messed up. Have you considered putting it in REhab. I gor a brother-law whos always messed up and thats what they say he needs. Serouisly when I have had a MB act like that, it is was new MB time, the headaches of troubleshooting that are not worth a $100, which is the price of a new decent MB...........................JDW
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 22, 05 10:54 PM
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Also by the way did you try reflashing your BIOs......................JDW
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fif4lifefif
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 24, 05 10:31 PM
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I've never reflashed BIOS... I always assumed you would need your computer to POST to do so anyways.
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 24, 05 11:21 PM
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To flash you need to post. One thing you could check is the grounding on the motherboard. I have come across boards which wouldn't post if they didn't have enough screws in the grounding holes. This may not be much of an issue now days where things are pretty standard. But, when you would buy a case that had several different mounting hole patterns and they gave you a bag of mounting posts to put in the holes that lined up with your board... you might not get all of em to line up. Some of the holes in the board are designed to be used without the fiber washer, these are the grounding holes. Check the installation instructions for the board. Hopefully they identify them. I have come across boards that required all of the grounding holes to be used or the thing wouldn't post. So modifications had to be made to the mounting plate to accomodate all of the holes.
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 26, 05 5:25 AM
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...a totally off the cuff guess based on a problem I heard about a while back. It's possible that your power supply and mother board just don't get along. If you have an other power supply or can borrow one of a different brand or model number swap it out and see if there's any change.
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 26, 05 2:19 PM
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Not sure if this has to do with motherboards, but replacing the Power supply worked wonders for me getting the USB interface to work properly. Just a side thought
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Steve_Karl
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 26, 05 3:01 PM
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Interesting. Did the replacement have more wattage? Steve
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 26, 05 4:24 PM
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Yes - more Power 400W I'm actually getting ready to build/rebuild, and upgrade to a PCI card interface soon. Right now for a dozen audio tracks and a couple midi tracks it works fine, but more than say 20 tracks I run into playback problems
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Stich
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 26, 05 9:32 PM
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You never mentioned what brand/model Motherboard you are trying to get running? A few Abit MBs were notorius for developing leaky capcitors that often take out the AGP slot. Stich
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 26, 05 10:02 PM
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Long shot: do you have the voltage selector on the power supply set to US standards? (115volts). Having this set to 220v in a house with only 115v will do what you describe.
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 28, 05 9:40 AM
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ORIGINAL: Steve_Karl ...a totally off the cuff guess based on a problem I heard about a while back. It's possible that your power supply and mother board just don't get along. If you have an other power supply or can borrow one of a different brand or model number swap it out and see if there's any change. as someone who repairs lots of computers, this is definitely one thing to check before tossing the mobo, although generally when i get a computer with symptoms such as the ones described above, it's the motherboard. to my knowledge cmos batteries do not prevent a computer from posting, but last time that happened to me was '99 so things may have changed... =)
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 28, 05 10:36 AM
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This lil story might thrill ya. I've got a Dell Optiplex GX240 sittin' here on the floor that wouldn't post because the video card was too old or ... well... it just didn't like it !?!?!?!??? It's in here for an OS reinstall and had a very strange Video Card in it with a connector I've never seen before. So I grabbed an old ATI Rage 128 and put it in there and no boot. Put the card that came with the machine back in ... it boots ... but of course I can't see any video. Pulled an ATI 9200 out of my second machine, put it in, it boots! Oh well... I'll have to make sure that odd Vid. card is recognized by XP when I take it back to the office and hook the ( obviously also ) strange monitor cable back up to it. Steve
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 28, 05 11:54 AM
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as much as i like dell, they've done a lot of annoying proprietary stuff over the years that makes me second-guess buying pcs from them.
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 28, 05 11:59 AM
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The odd one is appearently an ATI card of some kind ( the original ATI control panel keeps complaining when I reboot that the card is gone ) but I've never seen a plug like the one on the back of this one. I know the monitor is a Dell also and when I pulled the cables of ( quickly ) this morning I didn't take note, just thought it was a parallel cable of some sort. I'm curious to get back there on Monday and have a good look at what's going on with that cable and monitor.
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fif4lifefif
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 28, 05 12:47 AM
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Is it a DVI connector? I've had trouble, by the way, using a DVI-normal (CRT?) 15-pin D-sub adapters... the video flickers on and off when using one.
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January 28, 05 12:52 AM
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ORIGINAL: fif4lifefif Is it a DVI connector? I've had trouble, by the way, using a DVI-normal (CRT?) 15-pin D-sub adapters... the video flickers on and off when using one. Not sure what it is. It's not like the connector/adaptor on my ATI 8500DV. It's larger, about the size of an old COM2 but with different holes. Not really a problem now, I'm finalizing the XP setup and will deal with it Monday. Steve
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 28, 05 4:45 PM
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I think that was an adapter cable to allow for dual monitors, no? Where most vid cards have the standard 15-pin analog VGA connector and/or the DVI, there was a line of ATIs that cam ein Dell sysstems taht had this little adapter tail thing. Worked fine for dual monitors, so it was actually a pretty cool inclusion.
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 28, 05 5:28 PM
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Now that makes sense. I think I remember seeing 2 lines coming off the connector that was plugged into it. There's definately only one monitor at that station but maybe it's capable of 2. Steve
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 29, 05 1:13 PM
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And if it IS...use it. You'll never go back!
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RE: Motherboard messed up?
January 29, 05 1:16 PM
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LOL ... Well it's not mine. It belongs to a business I do work for. Steve
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