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2017/02/09 11:52:05 (permalink)

What Program do I need?

Many years ago I had Cakewalk, but have not been working with it for ages. First I need to be able to access my old WRK files, then I need to be able to actually write the music as I do not have access to the instruments that I need or the equipment necessary. Does Sonar have that capability? Or is there a different program I need?
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Re: What Program do I need? 2017/02/09 11:53:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Bettsmd 2017/02/09 12:17:04
 
Not to sound cruel, but since you are on the Cakewalk site, why not take advantage of the site and read about Sonar and what it offers and then you can ask specific questions about certain features of the software.
 
Read more about Sonar first.  http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR
 

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Re: What Program do I need? 2017/02/09 12:17:58 (permalink)
SONAR does a staff view where you can enter, and then print, standard notion; but I have always found it clunky to use.  It me SONAR functions much better if you enter the music via a keyboard rather than by hand.  I think, but I don't know, that Sibelius is better if you want to enter standard notion by hand.
 
Cakewalk does have a free demo, so you might give it a try and see if it does what you need.
 
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Re: What Program do I need? 2017/02/09 12:18:54 (permalink)
Not cruel, Jesse, just rude! It would not have taken you any longer to answer my question than to patronize me like that!
I have spent 3 hours on the website and combing the internet for information and have yet to get an answer.
Hope you enjoy your high horse!
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Re: What Program do I need? 2017/02/09 12:20:18 (permalink)
Thank you, Jude, you kindly answered exactly what I needed to know. You are awesome!
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Re: What Program do I need? 2017/02/09 13:16:16 (permalink)
Betttsmd,
 
I wasn't being on a high horse, I figured it would meet your needs by viewing more of the sight and reading what Sonar had to offer you.  There are different versions of Sonar, so based on how much involved you want to get with with Sonar again, you will need to read about what each version has to offer you.   That is why I prefaced the reply with, "Not trying to be cruel" first.   I provided you with the link to the information about Sonar and then said, "Ask specific questions about certain features of the software".   
 
It wasn't rude, it was informative.   I gave you a link to find out more about the newer Sonar and what features it now contains since you last used it. Then,  I invited you back for a discussion on the features of Sonar you may be interested in discussing.   I'm sorry you took that the wrong way.
 
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Re: What Program do I need? 2017/02/09 13:18:21 (permalink)
All Sonar version can open wrk files. 
Bettsmd welcome to the forum. 
 
Jesse is a very good member and meant no rudeness. 

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Re: What Program do I need? 2017/02/09 13:31:14 (permalink)
There are various ways to "play"  instruments in SONAR, recording is but one (audio or midi).  If you "notate" SONAR hasn't improved much since your days, or so I hear.  But midi, you can "paint or draw"  it in, step sequence it or put in in a Matrix cell and play it in sync with other midi loops or audio clips.  or play it in on a virtual keyboard which drives a soft synth like a physical keyboard.
 
SONAR includes various softsynths, and more and better choices the farther up the pay scale you go.  Rapture synth and Dimension Pro sample synth have been replaced by Rapture Pro (which includes all the samples and presets for both) but SONAR Pro, I believe, includes both those excellent synths.  Plus Addictive Drums and a bunch of older synths.  If you are making rock and pop or electronica SONAR is a good choice, even if you don't record.  If you are writing by hand classical or jazz, you might want to look at other hosts too.
 
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Re: What Program do I need? 2017/02/09 13:32:56 (permalink)
PS, Jesse, as noted, is a good and helpful guy.  You just didn't really give us much to go on and I think he was hoping for more hints.

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Re: What Program do I need? 2017/02/09 13:40:30 (permalink)
In case you might have missed it, here is a link to detailed comparison of the versions of Sonar : http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Versions#start . Note that for many items, hovering over the name of the item reveals additional information. If your you WRK file has more than 64 tracks or more than 8 bus tracks, you would probably want one of the versions "higher" than Sonar Artist. Otherwise, any of the versions would be a great place to resume working with Cakewalk functionality. It is worthwhile pointing out that the monthly development cycle has resulted in considerably more functionality than might be obvious just from the feature lists. The Reference Manual (included in the program folder when installing), Groove3 and other online training services, and these forums all provide excellent support for learning the program at whatever level you require.

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Re: What Program do I need? 2017/02/09 13:41:33 (permalink)
Hi Bettsmd and welcome to the forum,
 
I have a friend who wants to buy a DAW and was interested in Sonar after I gave him a demo of Platinum. The question then arose of which version would suit him. So we have spent quite a while examining the specifications of each version on the link that JesseG provided and even more so on the Versions Comparison page
 
I know that you aren't a newcomer to DAWs but maybe even the $49 Sonar Home Studio would meet your needs? I would definitely go with Jude77's suggestion of trying a demo version and see if it will suffice. Of course there would always be upgrade paths open to you if you found in time that you needed the functionality offered by the other versions.
 
I have used the Staff View more than I thought I would for entering mainly piano music notation and it is usable once you get used to it and provided you aren't entering massive orchestral scores. Don't expect Sibelius functionality and you will be fine. That said, I do find the Piano Roll View the better way to enter music that I am not actually playing and it is quicker to use than staff view (for me at any rate). 
 
Hope this helps,
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Re: What Program do I need? 2017/02/09 14:08:25 (permalink)
Glad to help, though when I re-read my reply it seemed quasi-illiterate!  I actually am fairly intelligent.
 
And, as others have noted, Jesse G is indeed a good guy who has helped me out more than once.
 
Again, best of luck with your music!

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Re: What Program do I need? 2017/02/09 15:56:39 (permalink)
Bettsmd
Not cruel, Jesse, just rude! It would not have taken you any longer to answer my question than to patronize me like that!
I have spent 3 hours on the website and combing the internet for information and have yet to get an answer.
Hope you enjoy your high horse!


Jess is a good guy. Think about it...you are on the cakewalk site.
3 hours is a long time to be bumping in to walls and not find yourself any information.
 
He was only stating the obvious and in my travels I have found when asking for help, its never a good idea to bite the hand that is trying to help you.
 
You say you need to be able to write out the music, is that staff view, or can you use Piano Roll View ?
Because in my opinion, staff view does what it should but isn't winning any awards anytime soon.
However, if you understand the way a PRV works, you can write out almost anything in detail there.

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Re: What Program do I need? 2017/02/09 18:49:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby abacab 2017/02/11 11:23:39
If you need more of a notation program than Sonar is providing you might want to look at the free  Musescore2: https://musescore.org/
 
You can write your score here, save as a MIDI file then bring it into Sonar.

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Re: What Program do I need? 2017/02/10 02:13:38 (permalink)
I agree with the suggestion to download the trial version; that's how I started way back in the '90s. I tried Sonar, Cubase, etc., and settled on Sonar. Then I upgraded to Home Studio, and took advantage of upgrade specials as they became available.
 
As far as whether or not you can use it for writing music, "writing" is kind of an ambiguous term. As mentioned above, the staff view is functional, but the piano roll view (PRV) is better. If you have a basic MIDI keyboard, you can use that to record tracks with the included instruments (VSTis), and there are plenty of free VSTis available on the web that would be enough to get you going. (Computer Music magazine, published in the UK, also includes a ton a free effects and instruments with each issue.) 
 
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Re: What Program do I need? 2017/02/11 10:49:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby abacab 2017/02/11 11:24:29
Just to pile on a bit...     Something like Sibelius would certainly exceed what SONAR can do from a pure Staff View perspective.   However, WRK files can only be opened in Cakewalk applications, so there's a trade-off.   I do agree with Chuck though - if you can use the PRV it would provide a great balance to the Staff View, and, would allow you to use your existing WRK files if SONAR's Staff View isn't completely to your liking.   Of course, only you can determine that.

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