Haas effect - Sonar track delay?

Channel Tools will do what you want.

Select the haas track. zoom in a lot and slide it all right till you like it. That's how I do it. Also there is a free plug by psp I think, called sample delay.

amiller

Anderton
Channel Tools will do what you want.

Do you know if Channel Tools uses track delay to achieve the results?

Yes. In both milliseconds and samples. Just load it onto an audio track and you'll see what it does.

Cakewalk have a video about it here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0zUCZ__sTM8

Can't you just do what Tony Banks of Genesis used to do and take either the left or right mono track of let's say a nice lush organ that was recorded in stereo as L/R mono and apply a slight delay to just one side?  It's not anything complicated - just put whatever short delay on one side or the other and that's it.
 
Really fattens it up, though - even with just that little short delay.
 
Bob Bone
 

I just watched a Youtube video this past week that was put together on this topic (using Logic). It may contain what you want. Follows the technique Konrad mentioned above. I share below if interested:
 

Again, the same principle. Channel Tools gives you finer control over small values though. I'm not sure 300ms still counts as Haas effect, that would be too extreme for me to perceive as one stereo sound.

If you really want to do VINTAGE HAAS effect, the delays back in the day were done with REVOX tape decks. So, if you have access to a TAPE DECK VST and it has the delay feature, try what everyone is saying above.
 
GENESIS, used this all over The Lamb during mix down (not to be confused with T Banks keyboard delays, which he applied during tracking using tape based echo devices, think ECHOPLEX or ECHOREC machines).  This sounded good and thickened up the keyboards but didn't give him the HAAS effect.  The mix on the LAMB is almost 100% HASS effected.  You can't hear the delay because it was timed to the tempo of the song and the delay signal fell right on top of the next beat, but what it does do, is give the mix more AIR (like a pseudo reverb).  They would time the delay using the REVOX pitch shifting capability (it could go +-7 semitones and everything in between).  This in effect changed the time between the record and playback heads.  They would make a large loop of tape (manually) and loop it around stuff hanging in the control room and just let the REVOX continuously run during the mixing section and pretty much send everything to the REVOX delay buss.  Oh yeah, they would then send the delayed return from this buss to the REVERB (they called it delay) busses and turn the faders ALL THE WAY off on the direct REVOX buss so they only had reverb affected HASS tracks and no direct HASS signals.
 
Sorry for the long explanation but I am still amazed with the REVOX tape delay trick.  I think Andy Johns might have discovered this but I don't think he knew it was called the HAAS effect and just stumbled upon this. I am just guessing here but it wouldn't surprise me if this was serendipitously discovered with playing around with the Abbey Road ADT that was all the range back then. I wish I could have been a fly on the wall back in the day.

Amiller, the channel tools plug in has a built in delay for side / mid / stereo imagining.
with that being said, I know exactly what your trying to do. typically I record to mono tracks for guitars and pan them hard left / hard right. I don't use the Hass on these but if im in a bind and find theres a hole in there some where (just need something else) I will duplicate the mono track (like you are doing) then I will nudge the duplicate slightly to the right (between 8- 6/10's of a second).
 
In the old days when all I had was tape, I used to produce a similar effect by running the dry signal of one track to a send patched in to a delay unit. then patch the return in to a tracks input.
 

Keni
I find another way of achieving similar is to stup the Sonitus delay with no repeats to two different vales say 27ms and 30 ms.

Hearing the voice first from the actual track then a quick left/right reflection to follow widens the track nicely. Faster settings for less slap...

Great idea here Keni.

Sanderxpander
... you could make an FX Chain out of Channel Tools with knobs assigned in the ProChannel. That way you wouldn't have to open any plugin window.

It's not so much that I don't want to open a plugin window as it is I don't want to run the track through yet another signal processor.  I'm just trying to keep it simpler.  But, since Sonar doesn't have a "track delay" parameter, I'll probably try your suggestion above.
 
Thanks all.....

Anderton

amiller

Sanderxpander
... you could make an FX Chain out of Channel Tools with knobs assigned in the ProChannel. That way you wouldn't have to open any plugin window.

It's not so much that I don't want to open a plugin window as it is I don't want to run the track through yet another signal processor.  I'm just trying to keep it simpler.  But, since Sonar doesn't have a "track delay" parameter, I'll probably try your suggestion above.

 
A track delay parameter is a signal processor, just one that's integrated. But there is no degradation of any kind associated with delay. All it does it take data and spit it our later than it received it. There's no real "processing" per se.
 

Yeah, I came to that conclusion after thinking about it over the last few days. Anyway, I worked with Channel Tools tonight to see how effective it is at achieving the Haas effect to more accurately place an instrument in a specific space in the sound stage. I have to say, I was very happily surprised at how well it worked. It works much better than trying to use the panning knob if I want an instrument to be placed other than center, hard left or hard right. It's most effective with delay times of < 1 millisecond.

This will become another very powerful tool in my mixing bag...very cool.

Channel Tools "Wide" preset. Easy.
 

LJB
Channel Tools "Wide" preset. Easy.
 

And what does that preset do exactly?  The name implies that it "widens" the stereo field.  That is NOT what this thread is trying to address.  This thread is about getting a mono track to sit in a specific place in the sound stage.

LJB
OK, have you actually TRIED Channel Tools? Because that is EXACTLY what that plugin achieves. It creates a delay by splitting either a mono or a stereo signal and you can control the delay time and panning (and a whole lot more) for each channel. Therefore controlling the perceived direction of the source. I think Haas would be impressed, it surely saves you cloning an audio track :O)

Yes, I have tried Channel Tools.  So, I must be misunderstanding you or how it works.  For instance, how do you split a mono track? 
 
Also, when I put Channel Tools on a mono track the only thing that seems to have any effect at all is the "Delay."  In fact, most everything else is greyed out...not available.  If I put Channel Tools on a stereo track then, yes, all options are available and not greyed out.
 

LJB
Channel Tools "Wide" preset. Easy.
 

LBJ,  might I ask you or someone else who might be so kind, as to post an image of WIDE, or list the settings?   For some reason, that preset is no longer in my preset drop down.  I used it a lot a few years back,  and I believe your spot on - that was my go to start setting for getting a nice wide image.
 
Take care,
 
L