Sonar Tempo View and Graph View Question

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2017/02/11 18:34:21 (permalink)

Sonar Tempo View and Graph View Question

Hi -  I'm new to forum -- and I'm new to Sonar Professional.  I'm most comfortable using the staff view to compose and edit.  But I'm having difficulty inserting precise tempo changes -- which I use quite a bit.   The Tempo View (using the graph) is great -- But is there any way to see and use the tempo graph while the staff view is also viewable -- That is, both views simultaneously?   I have two screens, if that helps.   Thanks in advance from a newbie to Sonar!
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    chuckebaby
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    Re: Sonar Tempo View and Graph View Question 2017/02/11 19:59:46 (permalink)
    grab the tempo View Tab (on the bottom) and drag that tab to your second monitor.
    Sonars tabs (dock) are much along the lines of Internet Explorers tabs. simply grab it and drag it to another screen.
     
    Tempo changes can sometimes be difficult in SV. I like to create tempo changes by placing my "Nowtime" where I want my tempo change and go to "Project > Insert Tempo Change and Project > Insert new Tempo". It gives more control over precise measurements.

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    Re: Sonar Tempo View and Graph View Question 2017/02/11 22:38:02 (permalink)
    Oh dear, be warned Sonar is very awesome at most things a DAW can be used for. But staff view has no love by those who use it..

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    Re: Sonar Tempo View and Graph View Question 2017/02/12 12:58:54 (permalink)
    Thanks so much --  Of course dragging makes perfect sense.  
    I'm curious -- What's the best DAW for composing and editing with staff view?
     
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    Re: Sonar Tempo View and Graph View Question 2017/02/12 17:37:37 (permalink)
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    Thanks so much --  Of course dragging makes perfect sense.  
    I'm curious -- What's the best DAW for composing and editing with staff view?
     


    it depends who you talk to.
    Cubase and Logic have good SV capability's. But if you are doing any serious Notation work,
    I would use a notation editor like Sibilus.

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    Re: Sonar Tempo View and Graph View Question 2017/02/13 09:39:35 (permalink)
    Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
    Will Sibelius work seamlessly with Sonar – or would I have to move over to Avid?
    My composing always begins with improvising on my Yamaha NU-1.  I then go to the staff view and make any necessary corrections (such as extending notes, or adding a continuo in baroque-sounding pieces), changes in velocity and tempo, and copying on the staff to repeat sections before assigning instruments.
    I’ve read that Sibelius works best if you start by composing on the staff with the mouse, then enter the piece into the DAW by performing it on the keyboard. But that won’t work for me, because the ideas come while improvising, and in any case entering several dozen measures of 32nd-note arpeggios in an organ piece with a mouse would take hours.
    Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
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    Re: Sonar Tempo View and Graph View Question 2017/02/13 12:58:15 (permalink)
     
     
    You stated that you are new to the Forum and SONAR, but you didn't state your experience with other DAWs or notation editors.  So I am assuming that you are new to DAWs and notation software in general.
     
    You didn't mention your ultimate goal.   Is your goal to produce professional printed music output for others to perform or just to be able to edit your performances in a staff view?  The answer to this question will guide others in properly offering recommendations.
     
    dougray
    Will Sibelius work seamlessly with Sonar – or would I have to move over to Avid?

     
    It depends on your definition of "seamlessly". 
     
    When using Sibelius or any other stand alone notation editor, you will need to export a MIDI file or MusicXML file from the DAW and then import the file into the notation editor.  It is very likely that there will be cleanup required in the notation editor unless you edited all your note data start times and duration in the DAW so that each notes starts and ends on a grid line.
     
    The only reason to use Sibelius or any stand alone notation editor over a notation editor in a DAW is to provide professional output.  If you are just starting out and need a notation editor, I would recommend that you explore MuseScore.  This is a freely distributed notation software that has the capabilities to produce very nice output.  https://musescore.org/
     
    Hope this helps,
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    Re: Sonar Tempo View and Graph View Question 2017/02/13 13:39:04 (permalink)
    Thanks, Ron.  My goal is to edit my performances in staff view -- not produce professional printed music.  I am new to DAWs and notation software.  I've recently been creating MIDI files and editing in Sonar's staff view with good results -- but it's clear that staff view isn't Sonar's strong point.   I've looked at Musescore, and it seems to provide much of what I need.  Thanks for your help.
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    Re: Sonar Tempo View and Graph View Question 2017/02/13 22:30:10 (permalink)
    Many use piano roll view for composing and skip staff view all together.

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    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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