VB-Audio Virtual cable and SONAR Platinum

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VB-Audio Virtual cable and SONAR Platinum

I want to send audio to another programme from SONAR, so I installed VB-Audio. While Windows sees it as a device in Device Manager and the other programme can see it as an input, SONAR does not see it as a device for audio output.
 
Any ideas anyone has would be much appreciated.

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    Re: VB-Audio Virtual cable and SONAR Platinum 2017/02/19 23:01:56 (permalink)
    Is your audio driver mode set to wasapi (not exclusive)? AFAIK virtual audio cables do not work with ASIO drivers.

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    Re: VB-Audio Virtual cable and SONAR Platinum 2017/02/19 23:05:24 (permalink)
    Actually,  just looking their website you can run asio but will need to install 'asio bridge'. Wasapi might be worth a try first.

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    Re: VB-Audio Virtual cable and SONAR Platinum 2017/02/19 23:21:55 (permalink)
    Sonar will only see a device that is listed as either its input timer or output timing device. Usually this has to be the same device as its relient on the devices audio driver.

    You will have to turn on VB cable as the output driver.

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    Re: VB-Audio Virtual cable and SONAR Platinum 2017/02/19 23:21:58 (permalink)
    Hi. I just tried WASAPI and yeah the "Cable" did appear as an output. I set it as the output device, but even though I set it as an input on the other programme, (an Audio/MIDI to visuals generator) nothing happens. I also tried Ethernet MIDI and MIDI data, but again nothing at the other end. :(

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    Re: VB-Audio Virtual cable and SONAR Platinum 2017/02/19 23:48:09 (permalink)
    So where I am ATM is that I have to choose WDM/KS as my mode, because if I use WASAPI my m-Audio card just makes a horrid distorted scratching. I then have to duplicate the audio track, so that one track goes to the Virtual Cable and the other to the m-Audio card. Then I can make the visualiser work and hear the music!
     
    I knew this was a bad idea.

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    Re: VB-Audio Virtual cable and SONAR Platinum 2017/02/20 00:04:14 (permalink)
    VB Cable and Voicemeeter all from the same family, take a bit of getting your head around their workings. I don't use them often but find I always have to watch the videos on their site to come to grips with it all.

    Have you done that? That's about my best suggestion at the moment.

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    Re: VB-Audio Virtual cable and SONAR Platinum 2017/02/20 00:19:34 (permalink)
    OK I will have a look, thanks. I seem to have them working, or at least VB Cable and Ethernet MIDI. But so far it's messy.

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    Re: VB-Audio Virtual cable and SONAR Platinum 2017/02/20 01:11:47 (permalink)
    I'm sorry I don't have the time at the moment to go through this more thoroughly with you.

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    Re: VB-Audio Virtual cable and SONAR Platinum 2017/02/20 02:36:26 (permalink)
    S'OK! I sorted it. I realised that the m-Audio had a Monitor output. So  could send just one audio track to the m_audio and then monitor that in the other programme.
     
    I used Ethernet MIDI for its 60 minutes then it said I had to reboot to use it again...and the purchase price is Eu65!
     
    So I grabbed Loopbe 1. As far as I can see I still have to dupe any MIDI tracks that I want to send to both a synth and to the other programme. Of course I can also use other tracks that have just controllers and stuff and they only go to the MIDI stream, not to a synth.

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    Re: VB-Audio Virtual cable and SONAR Platinum 2017/02/20 03:36:23 (permalink)
    Good solution Oldnick - less 3rd party routing and loopbe is rock solid. You could use Bome midi translator as a midi patch bay combined with loopbe30 to send a single output to both places, but again these are costly programs. Really handy piece of kit to have though!

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    Re: VB-Audio Virtual cable and SONAR Platinum 2017/02/20 08:43:13 (permalink)
    HI yeah BOME  is a bit pricey but loopbe30 is actually quite reasonably priced. I have the trial and I am going to see if I need it over loopbe1.
     
    I need to get back into software "pipes" and what they can and cannot do. loopbe1 may be enough.
     
    Given that loopbe1 allows me 16 channels of MIDI control, that's a lot of power and if there is a donation ware option I will go that way....not building a sono/vision empire here... :) but I do want to support development.
     
    Sorry, a side issue... are your guys collie (BC)/cross? They look like beautiful dogs.

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    Re: VB-Audio Virtual cable and SONAR Platinum 2017/02/20 09:57:13 (permalink)
    Haha - my favourite side issue Nick!  Layla on the left was a rescue pup, but we suspect she is a BC cross. Indie on the right is purebred, but has a recessive merle gene (kind of a dog half albino), hence she is a bit whiter than most BC's and has very pale skin. Brilliant dogs - but aren't they all? 
     
    I'm sure loopbe single is up to the task as you say. I only bought loopbe thirty after a couple of years when I needed to control more software/devices. With regards Bome it is much more than just a midi patchbay. It will recieve ANY type of command (Keyboard, midi etc) translate it to any other type, then send it wherever you like (and to as many sources as you like). It also has zero system impact. If you do ever need to control any software externally it is hard to beat.

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    Re: VB-Audio Virtual cable and SONAR Platinum 2017/02/21 08:26:17 (permalink)
    Leyla:Suspect!!! She is BC cross :). Indie is an unusual one but very cute and I bet a stupendous personality: I have sen the "albino: BCs before. I have loved all the dogs I have spent my life with, including a Red Cloud who was my first real teacher, but after her  I had a BC staffy cross, who was  handful (50lb Jack Russell) , but spoiled me for other "makes". We currently have  3 BC cross rescues :). None of them is nearly as BC as your guys, but they have all the mental traits and personality and I love them.
     
    Yeah Loopbe30 would be a big leap up from Loopbe1 and if you try to install another copy of LB1 you get told off. Bome ....again, I can see possibilities depending on what SONAR can do with various values it uses inside, and sending them out. I have always been fascinated with Audio/Light/animation work and I see a possibility here.....many years ago a show went about called Son et Lumiere, which when I saw it was primitive compared to what could be done now.

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    Re: VB-Audio Virtual cable and SONAR Platinum 2017/02/21 09:07:15 (permalink)
    I do this and use voicemeeter and not virtual cable. It does ASIO very well. What I use it for is making Sonar training videos. You can get the audio from Sonar mixed with the audio from a local mic on your computer to send to your video capture program so you can comment on what you're doing while also hearing the sonar audio. 
     
    In my studio I have an RME UFX interface, I can plug that into the USB on my laptop and it works perfectly with audio from sonar routed directly to the ASIO configured interface. 
     
    When I unplug the UFX, my sonar reverts to the voicemeeter ASIO interface which routes things to my onboard audio card. So sonar doesn't have to be reconfigured to work with my onboard sound card. 
     
    If I want to doing a short video, I start up the free version of camstudio and use voicemeeter to route audio from my local mic and mix it with sonar's audio output to send it to camstudio. Then I can use camstudio to capture the video with all the audio. 
     
    I don't know if you can do all that with virtual cable, but with voicemeeter you can. As someone else said, it does take a bit to get your head around it and get it all configured. But I can successfully go from my RME ASIO interface and back to my local sound card, mix in my local mic for video capture and never have to reconfigure sonar, sans once in a while needing to pull down the master output and send it to the voicemeeter output. 
     
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    Re: VB-Audio Virtual cable and SONAR Platinum 2017/02/21 11:18:23 (permalink)
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    Leyla:Suspect!!! She is BC cross :). Indie is an unusual one but very cute and I bet a stupendous personality: I have sen the "albino: BCs before. I have loved all the dogs I have spent my life with, including a Red Cloud who was my first real teacher, but after her  I had a BC staffy cross, who was  handful (50lb Jack Russell) , but spoiled me for other "makes". We currently have  3 BC cross rescues :). None of them is nearly as BC as your guys, but they have all the mental traits and personality and I love them.
     
    Yeah Loopbe30 would be a big leap up from Loopbe1 and if you try to install another copy of LB1 you get told off. Bome ....again, I can see possibilities depending on what SONAR can do with various values it uses inside, and sending them out. I have always been fascinated with Audio/Light/animation work and I see a possibility here.....many years ago a show went about called Son et Lumiere, which when I saw it was primitive compared to what could be done now.


    Yeah - I guess we're a little more certain than suspect:)  3 rescues -  that is awesone Nick! Feelin' the love. You are so right about those personailty traits. I had a border collie cross as a very young boy and many breeds since all of which I loved, but our last 2 dogs were border collies, and you can see what's happened since. There's no going back:) There's nothing quite like our dogs mate.

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    Re: VB-Audio Virtual cable and SONAR Platinum 2017/02/22 08:34:55 (permalink)
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    I do this and use voicemeeter and not virtual cable. It does ASIO very well. What I use it for is making Sonar training videos. You can get the audio from Sonar mixed with the audio from a local mic on your computer to send to your video capture program so you can comment on what you're doing while also hearing the sonar audio. 
     
    In my studio I have an RME UFX interface, I can plug that into the USB on my laptop and it works perfectly with audio from sonar routed directly to the ASIO configured interface. 
     
    When I unplug the UFX, my sonar reverts to the voicemeeter ASIO interface which routes things to my onboard audio card. So sonar doesn't have to be reconfigured to work with my onboard sound card. 
     
    If I want to doing a short video, I start up the free version of camstudio and use voicemeeter to route audio from my local mic and mix it with sonar's audio output to send it to camstudio. Then I can use camstudio to capture the video with all the audio. 
     
    I don't know if you can do all that with virtual cable, but with voicemeeter you can. As someone else said, it does take a bit to get your head around it and get it all configured. But I can successfully go from my RME ASIO interface and back to my local sound card, mix in my local mic for video capture and never have to reconfigure sonar, sans once in a while needing to pull down the master output and send it to the voicemeeter output. 
     
    gabo


    Is there a headspin smiley? :D
     
    No there is no way you could do what you are doing with voicemeeter with VB Cable, as VB Cable is just a MIDI router.
     
    I am going to save all this stuff in case I need to do what everybody is DOING here! :D But right now my needs are much simpler and I am just just getting back into it and playing about. Software "gear" is so much cheaper and more powerful than hardware gear, and I love lots of gear and what it can do, but I seriously need to look at core values....SONAR and music....well....and maybe...:)

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