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How can I convert 44/16 to 48/24? [SOLVED]
I have imported some wav files from Band In A Box into Sonar Platinum which show up as being 44kHz 16bit in Splat. When play is pressed the project will not play until I reset my Octa-Capture to the same resolution. Normally I run everything in 48/24 resolution. Is there a way to convert my imported project to 48/24, as I want to use some of the wav files from BIAB? When looking in Preferences I can see the sample rate is 48kHz and bit depth of 24. However this is not reflected in the window of the GUI, and the Octa-capture wont let me reset to 48kHz while in use. This project is to be part of a larger one, and I don't want to be resetting my Octa, everytime I need to work on this file. I hope someone can help. Cheers
post edited by optimus - 2017/02/20 07:58:55
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Re: How can I convert 44/16 to 48/24?
2017/02/20 03:41:24
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It's not easy to "change" an existing project to a different sample rate. However, if all you've done so far is import the audio files, not much is lost.
The thing is that Sonar (and in fact most audio programs) can only play back audio at one sample rate at a time. So if you want your project to be at 48KHz, your samples need to be 48KHz. Sonar tends to have a "flexible" sample rate until you drop the first audio file into the project or do some other audio related operation (like recording, or freezing a softsynth). Once the first audio file is in there at a certain sample rate, Sonar has no choice but to stay at that rate.
So probably the easiest way is to
1. Create a new project at your preferred sample rate
2. Create an audio track
3. Record some audio (really half a second is all it takes)
4. Drag in your BIAB samples with the different sample rate
5. Watch all your BIAB samples be converted to the correct rate
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Re: How can I convert 44/16 to 48/24?
2017/02/20 03:55:24
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You can set the Bit Depth for Imported Audio (and others) in Preferences - File - Audio Data if you want imported files to be different from their original resolution. The Bit Rate display in the Transport Module is a mystery to me but may be set by the 1st or lowest resolution clip. If there's no clips in the project then it's usually 48/24 for me. What's funny is even after I delete all the 44.1/16 files and save as new project, it stays at 44/1 and there's no way to change it. OAN, Since MS has removed all the nice file attributes for audio files since Windows 7  , the only way I've been able to tell a file's bit rate and depth is to install MediaTab.
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Re: How can I convert 44/16 to 48/24?
2017/02/20 04:20:55
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Re: How can I convert 44/16 to 48/24?
2017/02/20 04:46:12
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OAN, Since MS has removed all the nice file attributes for audio files since Windows 7 , the only way I've been able to tell a file's bit rate and depth is to install MediaTab.
That's not entirely true... These attributes are still available, and can be made visible in the standard explorer. Go to your files, and right-click on the title bar (where it says Name, Date modified and so on). Click more, and you will see a list of all attributes you can select. Bit depth and bit rate are available there. If you select them, they will show up. If you want to not always select this route, you can save that. Once you made the attributes available, click on the view tab in explorer (w8 and W10), click the options button, click change folder and search options. In the new window, click view, then click apply to folders, and finally click yes. So, no need to install extra software :)
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Re: How can I convert 44/16 to 48/24?
2017/02/20 04:47:00
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Forgot one thing... You need the details view to be able to see the attributes...
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Re: How can I convert 44/16 to 48/24?
2017/02/20 07:57:08
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Thanks guys. Your suggestions prompted me to think it over some more, and I've come up with a work around.
A little tedious perhaps, if there is a high track count, but I only have ten, so though time consuming, it appears to work.
First I exported each track individually at 48/24 as a wav. file. Then I started a new project, making sure it was native 48/24, and imported each wav. individually.
Probably not the best solution for a high track count, but in this case it was fine.
Sample frequency and bit rate is still much of a mystery to me, but with the help of you guys we always seem to find a way
Cheers
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Re: How can I convert 44/16 to 48/24?
2017/02/20 08:20:23
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If you exported all your WAVs at 48KHz there are no other steps needed, you can just drag them in there all at once (or use the import dialog). Doing it one by one has no benefit that I can think of.
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Re: How can I convert 44/16 to 48/24?
2017/02/20 09:08:04
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If you exported all your WAVs at 48KHz there are no other steps needed, you can just drag them in there all at once (or use the import dialog). Doing it one by one has no benefit that I can think of.
Just expand, exporting as tracks will do them all at the same time.
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Re: How can I convert 44/16 to 48/24?
2017/02/21 03:51:44
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So how do you "make sure" the new project is 48/24?
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Re: How can I convert 44/16 to 48/24?
2017/02/21 04:41:14
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Sanderxpander
If you exported all your WAVs at 48KHz there are no other steps needed, you can just drag them in there all at once (or use the import dialog). Doing it one by one has no benefit that I can think of.
Yeah well, never thought of that at the time. soens
So how do you "make sure" the new project is 48/24?
First up I set the Octa-capture to 48/24. I then started a new project and I noticed that the "new project" template menu actually was defaulted to 48/24. I had never noticed that before, though I've used it hundreds of times before. Next, when the GUI opened, there it was, set to 48/24. The converted 48/24 individual wav. files then just snapped in.
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Re: How can I convert 44/16 to 48/24?
2017/02/21 06:22:16
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soens
OAN, Since MS has removed all the nice file attributes for audio files since Windows 7 , the only way I've been able to tell a file's bit rate and depth is to install MediaTab.
That's not entirely true... These attributes are still available, and can be made visible in the standard explorer. Go to your files, and right-click on the title bar (where it says Name, Date modified and so on). Click more, and you will see a list of all attributes you can select. Bit depth and bit rate are available there. If you select them, they will show up.
If you want to not always select this route, you can save that. Once you made the attributes available, click on the view tab in explorer (w8 and W10), click the options button, click change folder and search options. In the new window, click view, then click apply to folders, and finally click yes.
So, no need to install extra software :)
Well, "That's not entirely true..." either. I know I said "bit depth and rate" but I meant "bit depth and sample rate". Here's how Windows 7 & 10 show these File Attributes when Details is selected for wav, mp3, & wma files: Bit depth - (blank) [nothing there. might as well not be in the list. probably an oversight when removing the rest] Bit rate - (xxxkbps) [Sample rate and bit depth can be extrapolated from this if you have a conversion chart] Sample rate - (not in the list) In Windows XP and prior these were all available. When I moved to Windows 7 they were no longer there. The only place within Windows I can find any reference to a file's sample rate is in Media Player under File - Properties, and then only for wma files, not wav or mp3 files. When searching the web to find why I found many people complaining about the same thing. One web site gave MediaTab as a solution. I would rather be able to see this data at a glance in Folder Details like before but this is something anyway.
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