JohanSebatianGremlin
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I saw the future in a dream
Ok not really. I'm not much for buying into the yoo and all that supernatural hokus pokus. But I do believe that one can fairly accurately predict aspects of the future simply by paying close attention to the present. I think it takes a certain amount of clarity and genuine open mindedness to do it well though. And for me, I find that most often happens in dream state. Something about not being able to get my damn fool brain out of my own way the rest of the time I suppose.
Anyway I had a dream last night that I was using a device of the future. In this dream I was sitting in my own home studio and I got a text from a friend who lives 800 miles away asking if I wanted to collaborate on a project with him. I said sounds good count me in. Then I put on a pair of VR googles and logged into an online space.
In that online virtual space we were both in the same room even though we were both in our own home studios located 800 miles from each other. The output of his computer/DAW was routed into mine and vice versa. When he played his guitar, I heard exactly what he was hearing at exactly the same time with no latency, or rather with some sort of technological solution that essentially eliminated any latency. This allowed either of us to play recordings we were working on developing and allowed us both to play along and/or record along. And obviously we could converse in real time while we were both noodling etc.
As I was waking up, I realized this currently non-existent product is probably not far off or at least the ability to do it is not far off. And I also realized there's probably a decent market for such a product so long as the price is right. But if the off the shelf price was under $500 and hook up/use was fairly easy and reliable, I could see such a product selling very well.
I don't really have a question here, more I just wanted to share my observation of the above. So if I have any question at all I guess its this. If such a product were available, would you use it?
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/20 03:54:39
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Quantum entanglement is a way of transmitting information between two points with zero latency even if those points are light years apart so theoretically your dream could become reality one day.
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JohanSebatianGremlin
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/20 08:26:43
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I think the proof of concept has already happened. I'm sure I read an article once like 10 or 15 years ago about some high profile artist (Stevie Wonder?) doing something like it where he was in a studio in LA and was recording a track, but the vocalist was in a studio in NY and the audio was being transmitted between the two facilities in real time.
So I'm sure its possible right now, but probably not cheap nor simple nor reliable. I suspect sooner or later someone will figure out a way to tick all three of those boxes.
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/20 08:43:30
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There was an online service a couple of years, Jam Kazam IIRC, that several folks in another forum claimed to be the bees knees for this type of thing. I don't have the bandwidth so could never get it working. Yep, JamKazam ... https://youtu.be/ylYcvTY9CVo https://www.jamkazam.com/
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/20 12:28:07
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If they don't exist yet, I wouldn't be surprised if full VR concerts aren't coming soon.
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JohanSebatianGremlin
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/20 16:43:42
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craigb
If they don't exist yet, I wouldn't be surprised if full VR concerts aren't coming soon.
Yeah it stands to reason that'll be coming. Really hard hook up with a rando in the parking lot after the show when you're sitting in your own basement though.
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/20 16:59:19
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I think STING explained these occurrences as Jungian synchronicity. Or at least he wrote a song about it. Most creative people live in some kind of vortex. For musicians it often relates to time. You have to believe it's possible for it to occur. ?
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JohanSebatianGremlin
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/20 17:28:20
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eph221
Same with religion. What's the condition of the possibility of faith.
I could give my honest answer but I'd probably offend someone so I'll just leave this one alone.
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eph221
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/20 17:32:42
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Sorry, I took off that controversial bit. My point being that it takes a leap of faith...even in science. Like entanglement in quantum theory. No matter how far we go, there's always a limit beyond which is an unknown and we assume it's discoverable.
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/20 17:53:15
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How do you keep from burning your fingers?
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/20 18:42:37
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BobF
How do you keep from burning your fingers?
Cut them off? 
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/20 18:59:29
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eph221
No matter how far we go, there's always a limit beyond which is an unknown and we assume it's discoverable.
Why?
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/20 19:44:45
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Oh Steve, you're so cheeky. You're hounding me, no? If you really want a good argument, read Pascal.
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/20 20:28:47
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eph221
Oh Steve, you're so cheeky. You're hounding me, no? If you really want a good argument, read Pascal.
Or, better yet, go program in Pascal!  (I see dreams in my future!  )
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/20 21:09:59
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eph221
Oh Steve, you're so cheeky. You're hounding me, no? If you really want a good argument, read Pascal.
Or, better yet, go program in Pascal!
(I see dreams in my future! )
The only thing worse than Pascal as a programming lang is LISP. I never could get my procedural head around that one. I'm a C/C++ dinosaur. I leave such business to the point/click youngsters.
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/20 21:12:32
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/20 22:52:50
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/02/21 03:45:49
If it can be conceived, it will be achieved. That's just the facts, Jack.
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/20 23:23:35
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Oh Steve, you're so cheeky. You're hounding me, no? If you really want a good argument, read Pascal.
Or, better yet, go program in Pascal!
(I see dreams in my future! )
The only thing worse than Pascal as a programming lang is LISP. I never could get my procedural head around that one.
I'm a C/C++ dinosaur. I leave such business to the point/click youngsters.
LISP bashing? Aw, what's the matter Bob? Do you hate parentheses?  My coding actually predates C. I started on an HP-2000 using BASIC, but I helped port the game ADVENT from B and also coded in Assembler, PL/I and Fortran (the precursors to C). I really didn't start coding in C until the mid-80's. But to get this topic back on track, we certainly didn't imagine 6 TB hard drives for under $200! (Just saw an ad for a Toshiba at $199.) Heck, I still remember paying $520 for a 10 MB hard drive that I didn't think I would be able to fill... I think the future will include storing data on crystals (hey, maybe we can finally read what the Atlanteans stored on all those crystals people claim to have!).
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/21 03:53:46
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eph221
Oh Steve, you're so cheeky. You're hounding me, no? If you really want a good argument, read Pascal.
No, I'm not hounding you - I just thought your blanket statement deserved some sort of explanation or justification.
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/21 09:33:38
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Oh Steve, you're so cheeky. You're hounding me, no? If you really want a good argument, read Pascal.
Or, better yet, go program in Pascal!
(I see dreams in my future! )
The only thing worse than Pascal as a programming lang is LISP. I never could get my procedural head around that one.
I'm a C/C++ dinosaur. I leave such business to the point/click youngsters.
LISP bashing? Aw, what's the matter Bob? Do you hate parentheses?
My coding actually predates C. I started on an HP-2000 using BASIC, but I helped port the game ADVENT from B and also coded in Assembler, PL/I and Fortran (the precursors to C). I really didn't start coding in C until the mid-80's.
But to get this topic back on track, we certainly didn't imagine 6 TB hard drives for under $200! (Just saw an ad for a Toshiba at $199.) Heck, I still remember paying $520 for a 10 MB hard drive that I didn't think I would be able to fill... I think the future will include storing data on crystals (hey, maybe we can finally read what the Atlanteans stored on all those crystals people claim to have!).
I hear ya' ... I started by pushing pushbutton indicators bit by bit (UNIVAC) ... I dabbled with Berkeley p-code, COBOL and proprietary Honeywell (DPS6). A few HP BASIC tools, but really got serious with C becoming widespread. First exposure was a PDP-11, but quickly moved to the early desktops with CP/M & C and Sun. C++ was the greatest to me. The perfect blend in those environments. Pyramid MIS series with dual universe kernels is still my favorite. Something sublime about mixing SVR3.2 and BSD libs (mainly for stream/socket support prior to SVR4). Dam% that was a long time ago. I remember Tandy 5M large format HDs going for better than a grand. My first HD was a 10M mfm Seagate that went into a Kaypro 16 luggable. It was a great feeling knowing that I would never again run out of disk space! I have 3 Toshiba ACA300 3T drives I've been using for a few months. Great performers, no troubles. These are readily available for less than $100. My head is still stuck on wanting more smaller drives than fewer large drives. I keep a 3T in the dock and run constant incrementals daily with Reflect for about month, then cycle another one in. I may move the 3Ts internal and go with 6T for backups at some point. I still haven't found an archive solution I fully trust.
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/21 09:41:23
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/02/21 09:59:49
I typically see the future in nightmares. They don't always start that way. Sometimes, I'll be dreaming about a wonderful, tranquil place and then people will show up. I've tried dreaming about post-apocalyptic wastelands or barren alien worlds, but somebody always blunders into the scene and ruins it. Granted, that's usually me, but that's beside the point.
At times, I've thought about offering warnings about the future. "People. They still exist." I don't want to ruin everyone's day, though. They'll take care of that themselves.
In spite of all of that, there is one comforting thing. At night, I can pull a warm blanket over my head and close out the world. As an added bonus, that last sentence gave me an opportunity to make a blanket statement.
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/21 09:56:25
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UbiquitousBubba
I typically see the future in nightmares. They don't always start that way. Sometimes, I'll be dreaming about a wonderful, tranquil place and then people will show up. I've tried dreaming about post-apocalyptic wastelands or barren alien worlds, but somebody always blunders into the scene and ruins it. Granted, that's usually me, but that's beside the point.
At times, I've thought about offering warnings about the future. "People. They still exist." I don't want to ruin everyone's day, though. They'll take care of that themselves.
In spite of all of that, there is one comforting thing. At night, I can pull a warm blanket over my head and close out the world. As an added bonus, that last sentence gave me an opportunity to make a blanket statement.
That sounds very 'Billy Pilgrim'
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/21 10:25:54
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Hi,
Mus read on dreaming. A bit romanticized, but really good.
Carlos Castaneda: The Art of Dreaming. It has some interesting things about dreams, and is probably the best of the books about dreams, ever. It does not take psychological views or points, it just sticks to the meat of the subject, and as such, it becomes very different and special in its own way. It's a bit of a shame that the author gets a bit of flack here and there, but this one book, is above and beyond the imagination ... and kinda leaves the sorcery terminology behind a bit more.
Even better is "Being in Dreaming" by Florinda Donner, however this is from a woman's point of view and too many men here will automatically reject it, is my bet! She was one of the folks around CC, however, I think it was more of a case of him being around people like her.
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/21 14:43:23
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UbiquitousBubba
I typically see the future in nightmares. They don't always start that way. Sometimes, I'll be dreaming about a wonderful, tranquil place and then people will show up. I've tried dreaming about post-apocalyptic wastelands or barren alien worlds, but somebody always blunders into the scene and ruins it. Granted, that's usually me, but that's beside the point.
At times, I've thought about offering warnings about the future. "People. They still exist." I don't want to ruin everyone's day, though. They'll take care of that themselves.
In spite of all of that, there is one comforting thing. At night, I can pull a warm blanket over my head and close out the world. As an added bonus, that last sentence gave me an opportunity to make a blanket statement.
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/22 03:26:47
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/22 04:43:43
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/22 11:22:18
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Re: I saw the future in a dream
2017/02/22 12:13:26
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Or it could eventually slow down to a stop and, very gradually at first, start to pull back together in a Big Crunch.
(Or, more likely, it will just wink out of existence to be replaced by some other universe that the collective create in their minds.)
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