Weird play back after bonce

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2017/03/08 04:57:31 (permalink)

Weird play back after bonce

After working on some demo tracks tonight, when I was going to send them to my drummer for an opinion I bounced it down to .mp3 as normal then email it through gmail. I downloaded the mp3 to my phone to listen to and noticed the song was faster and pitched slightly higher maybe by about 1/2 step. All of my projects are at 48k because I also use my Fractal Audio Axe FX. I tried to change the sample rate to 44.1 and bounce again, no luck. I tried sending the email to my wife's phone, same result, I sent another track to my phone bounced down a few months back, it played just fine, which tells me it's not some sort of weird Google compression. I also uploaded the track in question to my Google drive, still faster and pitched up. When I play The mo3 on my pc it's right. The only thing that's different between now and when I bounced down the track that is playing right is I updated cakewalk platinum to the latest version today. Any ideas on what's going on?
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    chuckebaby
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    Re: Weird play back after bonce 2017/03/08 11:10:49 (permalink)
    You didn't mention which MP3 converter are you using, the one purchased through the store ?
    If so....
    As a test: I would try to export the said project as a wave file (16 bit 44.1 HZ).
    Then import that WAV in to a new project and listen to it, if it is fine, then export that WAV mix using the MP3 conversion.
     
    Sometimes exporting higher sample rates directly to MP3 doesn't always work properly.

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    Re: Weird play back after bonce 2017/03/08 11:57:41 (permalink)
    Your bounced tracks should route it to the interface, not to the master bus.

    I don't think this is your problem.

    Try restarting your computer and without browsing the web, export it again.

    I'm wondering if there was sample rate confusion between apps. That sort off thing can cause confusion.

    The thing is, if you play back 48 at 44.1 should pitch reduce not increase? Shouldn't speed slow not increase?

    Any chance that the opposite was happening?

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    Re: Weird play back after bonce 2017/03/08 13:24:40 (permalink)
    like chuck said, export it as a wav first, and check that, then you'll know if it's the export or the conversion to mp3 causing the trouble (fwiw, i always do it like that, and finally mp3 encode using LAME with the razorlame gui)

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    Re: Weird play back after bonce 2017/03/08 13:52:40 (permalink)
    So I did a little trial and error this morning. This is what I found... apparently whether I export in .mp3 or .wav makes no difference the file still plays slightly faster and almost exactly 1/2 up in pitch. And I thought last night it only happened when I emailed or uploaded to Google drive but it's also like that on my pc through media player.

    So out of curiosity I exported 2 projects recorded prior to the update and they are as they should be, correct tempo and pitch.
    Something strange is definitely afoot in my land of cakewalk.

    Thank you guys for any help you have and can offer.
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    Re: Weird play back after bonce 2017/03/08 13:56:02 (permalink)
    have you tried exporting the dodgy project immediately after a clean reboot? ie, without opening a browser or anything, just sonar
     
    otherwise, you'll need to try and identify any differences between the dodgy project and the ones that are ok
     
    good luck!

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    Re: Weird play back after bonce 2017/03/08 14:21:36 (permalink)
    I have tried that... I will again when I get home. My mind keeps going back to the idea that it's something to do with the update as it's doing it since and every project initiated prior to is fine.
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    Re: Weird play back after bonce 2017/03/08 14:44:16 (permalink)
    roll-back to previous version and try again, still wrong?

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    Re: Weird play back after bonce 2017/03/08 15:33:28 (permalink)
    How do I do That?
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    Re: Weird play back after bonce 2017/03/09 14:59:34 (permalink)
    So I tried rolling back last night to no avail. I suppose I will try tonight to redo it in a new project but I doubt that will make a difference, it will also suck to do because I did my drums via step sequencer. This is getting a little frustrating as I'm trying to demo stuff with people who can't just pop in and have a listen.
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    Re: Weird play back after bonce 2017/03/10 01:11:12 (permalink)
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    So I tried rolling back last night to no avail. I suppose I will try tonight to redo it in a new project but I doubt that will make a difference, it will also suck to do because I did my drums via step sequencer. This is getting a little frustrating as I'm trying to demo stuff with people who can't just pop in and have a listen.

    this sounds similar to a sample mis match.
    you don't need to redo step sequencer tracks. Simply export the track and save it as a midi file.
    for what its worth..This is not normal though. my projects are exporting perfectly here so something is going on there with this one project in specific (since your others are fine).
     
    Could be a corrupt project, though I don't see that often. PWAL has some good ideas.
    You could also try dragging the audio and midi (step sequencer) tracks in to a new project, see if it exports properly.
    if it does not, remove the audio tracks you recorded at 48 and try another export. this will at least eliminate, help you single out the problem files.
     
    What are you using for a soundcard ?

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    Re: Weird play back after bonce 2017/03/10 02:05:07 (permalink)
    I just exported a known-good project that I'd previously exported before the last update.  I went to wave, though, not MP3 (I do my MP3 conversions post-export). The two files matched byte-for-byte. So whatever the problem is, it does not appear to be related to the SONAR update.
     
    A semitone up in pitch does sound like a 44.1 KHz file being played back at 48 KHz.


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    Re: Weird play back after bonce 2017/03/10 05:39:55 (permalink)
    Indeed it does sound like a 44.1K wave played back at 48K. It would be helpful to find out why your wave file is being written with the wrong sample rate to avoid the problem in the future. But as a test and a fix, you can correct the sample rate in the erroneous file using a hex editor or this utility.
     
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    Re: Weird play back after bonce 2017/03/10 23:34:33 (permalink)
    For what it is worth, I did not do the update since the last one was a mess. My system will not export 44.1 at all. It randomely picks something like 1411 of 709, I dont know what is up with all this but it was interesting to read your isue. I am using an MOTU 828x. What are you using for a converter?
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