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2017/03/09 16:38:27 (permalink)

Silencing a portion of all tracks?

I must be a dummy, because this should be a simple thing and I can't find it anywhere in the documentation...
 
All I want to do is to "silence" (not cut, I don't want the lengths changed) a portion of all tracks. I know how to select multiple tracks at once in the area I want silenced, but what comes next to accomplish this?
 
Thanks in advance!
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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/09 16:49:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Shambler 2017/03/09 17:19:33
The easiest approach would be to use Volume automation on the Master bus. If you have some other track(s) that you don't want silenced at that point, route all the tracks/buses that you do want silenced to an intermediate bus ahead of Master, and automate the volume on that bus. You'll need to take a different approach if you want to preserve FX tails on tracks/buses in the "silenced" section.

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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/09 17:26:30 (permalink)
Hi. Or you could select all (Ctrl+A), drag across the timeline as long as needed, and press "K".
I think that should work.
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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/09 18:23:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Brando 2017/03/09 18:46:14
I've tried adding an automation envelope to have the master bus output volume shoot immediately from INF to the current master slider level (-7.0). The problem with that is, if I choose to move the master slider up or down later, I need to go back and also change the automation envelope to match the new master bus volume setting, correct?
 
Man, what a hassle for what should be such a simple thing. Even my recorder can easily accomplish this in a few seconds by setting start/end points and selecting "Silence" in its track editor. It's hard to believe that SONAR can't perform such a basic editing function without having to resort to using automation envelopes.
 
Anyway, thanks for the advice, I do appreciate it.
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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/09 18:59:10 (permalink)
 
Switch to Offset mode using the Envelope/Offset button in the Mix module to set a base level on top of which the envelope will 'ride'. You can alter that level at any time in Offset mode without having to mess with the envelope.
 
You can use Process > Apply Effect > Gain to silence sections of audio tracks, but it's destructive, and isn't applicable to MIDI. Volume/Mute automation is generally preferred for making non-destructive edits to levels.
 
You could also Split all tracks 'At Selection', and mute the split out sections. This is basically what Ken is suggesting with the 'K' shortcut, but you can't mute part of a clip by that method; the section to be muted has to be a separate clip.

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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/09 19:53:32 (permalink)
CraigG58;
How many tracks does your recorder have that you silence a section all once with two clicks?

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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/09 20:01:45 (permalink)
Unless I'm missing something, I've found an even simpler way to accomplish this.
 
I never noticed the "Mute" and "Erase" tools before. To mute:
 
- Enter track view.
- Press F10 to toggle Mute or Erase in the tools module (for my purposes, Mute).
- Starting in the lower half of the top track, left click and drag down to select the area you want to mute. When you release, mute displays small dots above each waveform to indicate where the muting begins and ends.
- That's it!
 
Mute tool:
https://www.cakewalk.com/...amp;help=Tools.16.html
Erase tool:
https://www.cakewalk.com/...amp;help=Tools.15.html
 
P.S. Forgot to mention, erase is destructive, and mute is not. So, two nice choices there as well.
post edited by CraigG58 - 2017/03/09 21:15:16
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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/09 20:16:34 (permalink)
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CraigG58;
How many tracks does your recorder have that you silence a section all once with two clicks?



Not sure what you're referring to, Zargg's post maybe? For whatever reason, I couldn't get that to work. Maybe he's using custom key mapping.
 
If you're referring to my recorder, it's a Tascam DP32-SD which has 8 mono tracks and 12 tracks that can be switched between mono and stereo, thus the "32". It's rare that I have something which needs to be recorded in stereo, so I normally run all of them in mono and perform my panning in Cakewalk during mix-down.
 
On this recorder, it's not two "clicks", but still very simple. You just set in/out points, enter the track editor and select "Silence", then the tracks you want affected between those two points. All done.
 
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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/09 20:19:59 (permalink)
Another way to make a portion of the project silent would be to select all the clips within that portion and mute them. It may be necessary to split the clips at the beginning and end of the required portion.

To mute selected clips, press K. To split selected clips, press S.

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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/09 23:12:57 (permalink)
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Unless I'm missing something, I've found an even simpler way to accomplish this.
 
I never noticed the "Mute" and "Erase" tools before. To mute:
 
- Enter track view.
- Press F10 to toggle Mute or Erase in the tools module (for my purposes, Mute).
- Starting in the lower half of the top track, left click and drag down to select the area you want to mute. When you release, mute displays small dots above each waveform to indicate where the muting begins and ends.
- That's it!



 
Given you felt putting an automation envleope on the Master bus was too much work, I didn't think you would want have to region-mute every clip individually. 
 
Personally I think either bus automation or splitting and clip-muting are easier and more easily undone/redone, but glad to hear you got it figured in any case.

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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/09 23:14:00 (permalink)
Just wanted to say thanks much for all of the suggestions and techniques, I really do appreciate it. I hope the one I found will be helpful to you as well!
 
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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/09 23:35:16 (permalink)
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CraigG58
Unless I'm missing something, I've found an even simpler way to accomplish this.
 
I never noticed the "Mute" and "Erase" tools before. To mute:
 
- Enter track view.
- Press F10 to toggle Mute or Erase in the tools module (for my purposes, Mute).
- Starting in the lower half of the top track, left click and drag down to select the area you want to mute. When you release, mute displays small dots above each waveform to indicate where the muting begins and ends.
- That's it!



 
Given you felt putting an automation envleope on the Master bus was too much work, I didn't think you would want have to region-mute every clip individually. 
 
Personally I think either bus automation or splitting and clip-muting are easier and more easily undone/redone, but glad to hear you got it figured in any case.


 
It's not that I thought it was too much work, and I do use automation for various things quite a bit. Nothing had to be done individually, it was all in one shot using the three steps above, and took about 10 seconds. Hey, everything's easy when you know how to do it, right? 
 
In the case of what I needed to do today, it was just easier to use the tools I linked because it only needed to be done once for a very short period, across all tracks. Another instance I can see myself using these tools would be for short sections of tracks that might contain various instances of noise, for example microphone pops. For spot fixes like that, I think mute will be very convenient.
 
Anyway, for the purposes of what I was doing today, I think using automation envelopes would have been overkill. But, I will definitely keep the techniques you outlined in mind for future reference during other, more complex tasks.
 
Thanks again!
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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/09 23:56:30 (permalink)
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- Starting in the lower half of the top track, left click and drag down to select the area you want to mute.



Okay, you win.   It did not occur to me you could drag across multiple tracks with the mute tool. I've only ever used it to mute part of a single clip.
 
That is definitely a superior solution. Sorry for the unnecessary debate.

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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/10 00:09:55 (permalink)
Hey, no need for apologies, and debate is a good thing. I know I learned something, never knew about "Offset Mode" before!
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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/10 01:33:33 (permalink)
Dumb question, but why can't you route all your tracks to a bus called SubMaster (or whatever) that feeds Master?  Then you can automate the SubMaster without screwing up any automation moves on Master.
 
You could even rename Master to SubMaster and create a new master bus to minimize the number of track assignments. All you have to do is send SubMaster (which used to be Master) to the new master.
 
I just did that to verify it works.
 
(I find Offset very dangerous.  You can't tell which tracks are in Offset mode and things can get really screwed up.)

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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/10 01:47:58 (permalink)
There is an exact way to do this. File menu/Process /Apply Effect/Remove Silence. Ta da... ;) lol
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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/10 12:31:05 (permalink)
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There is an exact way to do this. File menu/Process /Apply Effect/Remove Silence. Ta da... ;) lol
Hope this help! Have a nice day.


this is an amazing command (Remove Silence).
Now if I could just figure out how to use it properly. tweaking that thing takes practice.

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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/10 15:35:09 (permalink)
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Unless I'm missing something, I've found an even simpler way to accomplish this.
 
I never noticed the "Mute" and "Erase" tools before. To mute:
 
- Enter track view.
- Press F10 to toggle Mute or Erase in the tools module (for my purposes, Mute).
- Starting in the lower half of the top track, left click and drag down to select the area you want to mute. When you release, mute displays small dots above each waveform to indicate where the muting begins and ends.
- That's it!
 
Mute tool:
https://www.cakewalk.com/...amp;help=Tools.16.html
Erase tool:
https://www.cakewalk.com/...amp;help=Tools.15.html
 
P.S. Forgot to mention, erase is destructive, and mute is not. So, two nice choices there as well.


Oh hell yeah! Thanks for the tip - definitely have had situations where I could use either one of these ways.
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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/10 16:35:01 (permalink)
11Dreams
There is an exact way to do this. File menu/Process /Apply Effect/Remove Silence. Ta da... ;) lol
Hope this help! Have a nice day.


That'll work if you want to remove something that's already 'silent', but OP didn't indicate that the part he wanted to silence was noise floor level.

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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/10 17:01:01 (permalink)
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11Dreams
There is an exact way to do this. File menu/Process /Apply Effect/Remove Silence. Ta da... ;) lol
Hope this help! Have a nice day.


That'll work if you want to remove something that's already 'silent', but OP didn't indicate that the part he wanted to silence was noise floor level.


Not really, I believe you can set the level of the db to take out below any db. I know I removed part of a vocal track once... oops... :)
 

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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/10 17:05:27 (permalink)
If the OP wants to remove say like a verse in all tracks... just select the area one the now time line like if you where going to create a loop, then select all the tracks and hit delete...
 
I must say that I have no idea about all the fancy ways you guys are telling them how to do it. lol
I'm sure they are sound but simple and fast is the best for me. :)
 
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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/10 17:09:36 (permalink)
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I believe you can set the level of the db to take out below any db. I know I removed part of a vocal track once... oops... :)
 

 
Exactly. It's not a good tool for removing specific high-level material without affecting anything else.

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Re: Silencing a portion of all tracks? 2017/03/10 17:24:56 (permalink)
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11Dreams
I believe you can set the level of the db to take out below any db. I know I removed part of a vocal track once... oops... :)
 

 
Exactly. It's not a good tool for removing specific high-level material without affecting anything else.


You can always undo it and try different settings. It can be micromanaged.
Hey,  I learned this from Pensado's place years ago... lol If you have a problem, talk to him hehehe... ;)
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