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2017/03/31 16:55:32 (permalink)

Something happens when I arm to record...

Hi Everybody - This is driving me a bit nuts...
 
I'm currently using Sonar X3 Studio.  I'm trying to record a track with some guitar swells.  I'm using IK Multimedia Amplitube 4 in the track FX bin.  The pedals I'm using in Amplitube, in the following order, are Compessor, Overdrive, Volume pedal, Delay.  I'm controlling the Volume pedal via MIDI from my Behringer FCB1010 foot controller.  All seems OK.
 
I practice what I want to do and things sound good, my swells are quite swell.
 
When I arm the track to record, the output of the track no longer responds to the volume pedal control.  I'm still hearing the swells out of the Master, but what is being recorded is not swelly.  All the other effects are affecting the signal, just not the volume pedal.
 
Anybody out there have any thoughts?
 
Thanks
 
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    Zargg
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    Re: Something happens when I arm to record... 2017/03/31 17:03:01 (permalink)
    Hi, This might be obvious (and not even of any use), but is Echo Input enabled?
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    Re: Something happens when I arm to record... 2017/03/31 17:05:06 (permalink)
    Are you recording the MIDI as well as the Audio?

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    Re: Something happens when I arm to record... 2017/03/31 17:09:57 (permalink)
    Thanks Guys
    1) Input echo is enabled
    2) No I'm not recording the MIDI
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    Re: Something happens when I arm to record... 2017/03/31 17:22:31 (permalink)
    have you tried using http://www.azslow.com/index.php?action=downloads
    to see if the controls you want sent, is actually sent?

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    Re: Something happens when I arm to record... 2017/03/31 18:00:05 (permalink)
    Thanks...I'll give that a try...
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    Re: Something happens when I arm to record... 2017/03/31 23:39:16 (permalink)
    Hey Ken - that didn't help.  I'm pretty sure that the MIDI is all aligned.  I must be missing something on the audio side of things...
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    Re: Something happens when I arm to record... 2017/04/02 22:38:34 (permalink)
    I need to bump this post...I tried to contact Cakewalk support, but it seems that they no longer support Sonar X3.
     
    Update - I was able to use Amplitube as a standalone and route the output to a Sonar X3 audio track.  My recording was very swell(y).  Still...I don't really want a workaround...
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    Re: Something happens when I arm to record... 2017/04/03 00:39:43 (permalink)
    Just a thought....

    Does the volume pedal work on the recording pass-through as you expect, then not on playback?

    If so, either recording the MIDI it sends or enabling an automation lane for the volume pedal so its movements are recorded as automation might be worth trying.

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    Re: Something happens when I arm to record... 2017/04/03 02:09:08 (permalink)
    tlw - thanks for the reply.  So the issue is that the pedal doesn't work on the actual recording.  Everything is fine before I arm the track for recording...the input meter for the track performs as expected - the signal on the track meter follows the "swell" of the pedal and I hear the "swell" through the monitors.  However, once I arm the track for recording, the pedal is ignored...in the recording.  Even if the pedal is in the "off" position, there is full signal there.  So, when I hit record, I do not get the desired effect.  What is interesting are two things:
    1) The other effects are there (compression, overdrive and delay).  Only the volume pedal is ignored.
    2) I still hear the "swells" through the monitors, it is just that the "swells" are not recorded...
     
    I'm not recording the MIDI data - it is a MIDI pedal controlling the volume within Amplitube - but I didn't think that would be necessary because I'm trying to record the audio coming out of Amplitube, and in reality, 3/4 of the Amplitube audio is being recorded (compression, overdrive, delay).
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    Re: Something happens when I arm to record... 2017/04/03 02:53:00 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby midi.experiment 2017/04/04 00:33:37
    Ah, right.

    When you record the guitar what happens is that Sonar records the dry signal which it then passes through Amplitube. So what is recorded is the dry guitar. This is good because it means if you want to change anything in Amplitube after you've recorded the audio you can without having to re-record the track from scratch because Amplitube is applied after the signal so it's non-destructive. That's basically how all plugins work in pretty much all DAWs.

    So if you track using a Marshall and later think a Boogie might be better for the job, you can just load a Boogie into Amplitube and there you go. Want to remove the compressor? No problem, just delete it or turn it off and it's gone.

    It's a bit of a guess, but it sounds like you might need to either record the MIDI Continuous Controller (CC) data that's working the volume pedal in a MIDI track with its output pointing to the Amplitibe volume pedal, or create an automation lane for the volume pedal and record the automation while recording the audio.

    Then if you want to alter what the volume pedal is doing after you've recorded you can edit the MIDI or the automation. Because nothing is permanent, all the processing is done after the bare audio is recorded.

    You could even record without using the volume pedal and draw an automation envelope in afterwards...

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    Re: Something happens when I arm to record... 2017/04/03 10:28:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby midi.experiment 2017/04/04 00:32:40
    In order to do what you're trying to do, you need to click the R button to record enable the track and you also need to click the W button to write automation to the track. That way your foot pedal moves will be recorded at the same that your audio is recorded.

     
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    Re: Something happens when I arm to record... 2017/04/04 00:37:06 (permalink)
    OK...problem solved.  I was able to record the MIDI data into a track and point the data to Amplitube.  The audio data was still recorded as "dry", but the MIDI data associated with the track made the "swells" happen in the recorded track.
     
    Note - Amplitube had to be designated as a Synth instead of an FX in order for the MIDI data to be routed there.
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    Re: Something happens when I arm to record... 2017/04/04 00:44:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby midi.experiment 2017/04/04 01:30:02
    While changing Amplitube to a synth does work. Starting with X3 it is not necessary. There is an "Enable MIDI Input" option in the VST2/3 drop down in the standard header for all plug-ins that can accept MIDI data.
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    Re: Something happens when I arm to record... 2017/04/04 01:30:20 (permalink)
    Thanks...
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