Are there any "close to realistic sounding" VCS3 VSTs out there?

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2017/04/03 21:53:20 (permalink)

Are there any "close to realistic sounding" VCS3 VSTs out there?

Last time I saw a price for a real VCS3 or AKS it was $10-15k USD.  There was an official EMS AKS VST years ago but it was like E400.  
 
I have the XILS stuff.  It is cool, but it sounds nothing like a Synthi (VCS3/putney).  
 
I have tried  Reaktor program to replicate the VCS3 and was very disappointed.  
 
Specifically, I am looking for the types of FX that the Synthi can do.  I really do not care about its ability to track a monophonic tune.  I am looking for Pink Floyd, Hawkwind, Eno... types of sound effects.  
 
Anyone with experience with comparing a real VCS3 to any of the plugs?  
 
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    KPerry
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    Re: Are there any "close to realistic sounding" VCS3 VSTs out there? 2017/04/03 22:16:35 (permalink)
    If you find one, let me know! The best I've found are a couple of old freebie FXpansion ones (Mysteron and Enigmatron) but they're nowhere near as complex as a real VCS3 and I'm not sure if they're even available any more (they're 32 bit too for reference). You won't get In Search of Space out of them, but I've used them, heavily effected, for some reasonable wibbly-ness from time to time.

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    Re: Are there any "close to realistic sounding" VCS3 VSTs out there? 2017/04/03 23:16:45 (permalink)
    Thanks
    I have a friend that has a AKS and I know how to patch (pin?) the thing to get what I want.  The XILS thing looks like a VCS3 but it does not do the fx like a VCS3 at all.  

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    Re: Are there any "close to realistic sounding" VCS3 VSTs out there? 2017/04/03 23:39:14 (permalink)
    If you have an ipad apeSoft's iVSC3 is pretty good - and not expensive.

    Not just good sonically, it's just as awkward, obscurist and baffling as the real thing as well.

    I have heaps of admiration for the likes of Del Detmar and Tim Blake who can actually make music using the things :-)

    Edited to add - more recently they've added options to make it a bit more, well, understandable. You can ignore that stuff if you want.

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    Re: Are there any "close to realistic sounding" VCS3 VSTs out there? 2017/04/04 10:11:50 (permalink)
    nice to read the hawkwind boys getting some props :-)
    but no, i can't recommend anything other that the XILS thing either :-/
    edit, google threw up some things to check:
    http://blog.wavosaur.com/free-ems-vcs3-synthi-aks-vst-emulations/
    https://musicandrecordingtoolbox.blogspot.nl/2008/09/vst-discovery-special-feature.html (#18 on the list)
    http://kx77free.free.fr/English-page-vst.html
    most of these seem quite old now, maybe u-he should do one?

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    Re: Are there any "close to realistic sounding" VCS3 VSTs out there? 2017/04/04 10:26:15 (permalink)
    The KX77Free ones are SynthEdit which have reliability/compatability issues (or used to).
     
    I'd forgotten the VCS5 by Richard Brooks - I've used that one (once) and liked it...although it too is SynthEdit, as are most of them.  Ho hum.

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    Re: Are there any "close to realistic sounding" VCS3 VSTs out there? 2017/04/04 11:57:23 (permalink)
    In case anyone cares, I've also hunted for VCS3 samples and have had very little luck - the ones I've found have basically sucked and aren't particularly FX-y either (they're usually percussion-type sounds).  I've got a couple of samples from an ex-HW member and they are excellent, but only a couple so re-use becomes an issue.
     
    I had a chance to buy a real VCS3 one about 20 years ago for around £1000 and turned it down :-(

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    Re: Are there any "close to realistic sounding" VCS3 VSTs out there? 2017/04/04 14:24:25 (permalink)
    KPerry
    I had a chance to buy a real VCS3 one about 20 years ago for around £1000 and turned it down :-(


    just to join in the commiseration, i sold my sh-101 about 25 years ago for 90 quid :-(



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    Re: Are there any "close to realistic sounding" VCS3 VSTs out there? 2017/04/04 16:33:47 (permalink)
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    Last time I saw a price for a real VCS3 or AKS it was $10-15k USD.  There was an official EMS AKS VST years ago but it was like E400.  
     
    I have the XILS stuff.  It is cool, but it sounds nothing like a Synthi (VCS3/putney).  
     
    I have tried  Reaktor program to replicate the VCS3 and was very disappointed.  
     
    Specifically, I am looking for the types of FX that the Synthi can do.  I really do not care about its ability to track a monophonic tune.  I am looking for Pink Floyd, Hawkwind, Eno... types of sound effects.  
     
    Anyone with experience with comparing a real VCS3 to any of the plugs?  
     
    Thanks


    It sounds nothing like it?   Really?
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghy83NO1SYI
     
    I couldn't find it on you tube but computer music magazine had an article and videos where they showed how to create a generic version of the "On the Run" type of track.  It was certainly ball park.
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    Re: Are there any "close to realistic sounding" VCS3 VSTs out there? 2017/04/04 17:26:04 (permalink)
    Not the answer you're looking for, but for what you're asking you might consider putting together a small modular HW system, assuming you know how to patch up what you're after.
     
    I know the filter is available because I happen to have one:
     

     
    It is a whole different thing and it ain't cheap and it's not what you want if you're looking for repeatability, but ...

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    Re: Are there any "close to realistic sounding" VCS3 VSTs out there? 2017/04/05 22:37:34 (permalink)
    I think Tim Blake was using Minimonsta as his main fx synth when he was with Hawkwind most recently, until he took a sabbatical last year to revamp Crystal Machine for a remastered release for it's 40th anniversary. Usually controlled from a theremin using a CV to MIDI convertor to drive the softsynth. Sounds very, very good indeed, and I don't often say that about software analogue synth emulations.

    At one point Dave Brock had a Roland of some sort and at the most recent gihs I've seen a keyboard workstation of some sort.

    I doubt an EMS has been present for some time, certainly not on stage at any of the well over two dozen times I've seen them over the last six years or so. Really any voltage controlled (so no stepping) synth with a resonant filter plus shedloads of echo and chorus or flanging will get you pretty much there. Even a plain Korg Monotron and a delay can do a very good job.

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    Re: Are there any "close to realistic sounding" VCS3 VSTs out there? 2017/04/05 23:22:06 (permalink)
    There's a range of options discussed here (as pwalpwal noted above).
     
    Cynthia, the first suggestion, is free, runs in Sonar 64 bit, and can be used as an instrument or FX.
    I've used Cynthia (as an FX) to try and get the sound of The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again".
    I can't say I was completely successful, but it's a complicated bit of kit (at least for me), and it's hard to find a good Lowrey organ simulation to drive it with.
     
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    Re: Are there any "close to realistic sounding" VCS3 VSTs out there? 2017/04/09 11:49:57 (permalink)
    thanks all

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