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2017/04/10 12:58:53 (permalink)

Multiple Location Recording Basic Questions..

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I have a powerful tower machine that I run Sonar Platinum on which I mainly use at home. I now need to visit a friends house to record vocals to then return home to mix. For the remote recording, I will use an i5 laptop to do this. Both machines have Sonar Platinum on them.
 
My question:
 
While I know I can simply copy the entire project file to the laptop and then copy it back to the desktop, is this the "Best" method to use for what I need?
 
What do others do in this situation?
 
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Re: Multiple Location Recording Basic Questions.. 2017/04/10 13:15:15 (permalink)
I would just export the Vocal WAV files from the laptop project, and transfer them to the desktop (making sure that the files start at 0:00:000).
Then import them into the desktop project.

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Re: Multiple Location Recording Basic Questions.. 2017/04/10 13:18:07 (permalink)
you could simply install audacity or reaper to do the recording bits. then copy over the wav files to your sonar station when you get home. the A2D conversion will have the bigget impact on the quality of the recording (beside the mics, vox etc :-) )
 
alternative - buy a copy of the sonar artist so you have the familiar UI.

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Re: Multiple Location Recording Basic Questions.. 2017/04/10 13:25:03 (permalink)
I take it by your responses that you're not keen on transferring back the entire project file? 
 
I was considering just importing the wav files to the original, I'm going to have to test that a little... 
 
Thanks!
 
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Re: Multiple Location Recording Basic Questions.. 2017/04/10 13:32:46 (permalink)
OP has the app on both machines.

By my read, the question is whether to bring over the whole project to perform with or a new project with just the one track of the current state of the project.

Benefit of the bounce method...
Project is small and simple.
IO is reduced.
Processor load is reduced because the track is printed.
You may be able to work with lower sample buffer and have reduced risk of dropout.

Complication...
You have to merge the projects when you get home.

Alternative...
Copy the whole project to the laptop and hope latency is sufficiently low.

If you find latency is not sufficiently low, given that you have the whole project, you can make the new smaller project on the spot.

You have to work within your constraints. I would think the smaller project would be simpler.

One thing I didn't initially mention... the smaller project may help the laptop stay cooler and reduce fan noise.

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Multiple Location Recording Basic Questions.. 2017/04/10 13:39:59 (permalink)
JBelthoff
I take it by your responses that you're not keen on transferring back the entire project file? 

It depends.
If you transfer the whole project from the desktop to the laptop, DON'T TOUCH THE DESKTOP PROJECT, record the vocals to the laptop, and then transfer the project back to the desktop, you'll be fine.
My preference for simply bringing the Vocal WAVs back to the desktop is just that you're only copying a handful of WAV files instead of overwriting the project.
From my experience moving projects (not just daw-related), having too many working files of the same thing can cause mixups.  

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Re: Multiple Location Recording Basic Questions.. 2017/04/10 14:09:37 (permalink)
I would be happy to move the whole project but this will depend on if the laptop has all the same plugins and sound libraries installed.  I work between surface/laptop/desktop and it is very easy to move project between the laptop and desktop because I keep the plugins in sync.  I have to think more about projects I want to work on using the surface because it does not have everything installed. 

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Re: Multiple Location Recording Basic Questions.. 2017/04/10 14:22:53 (permalink)
When I do something similar it depends on how fussy the singer is.
 
Do I know if the singer wants drums, click, etc?  If i know the basic stuff, then I just do a mix down, and import that single wav file into the laptop and have them record the vocals to that.  
 
Then move the vocal track back.  This is the easiest way to get super low latency and not have to worry about taxing the system in any way.  
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Re: Multiple Location Recording Basic Questions.. 2017/04/10 14:29:13 (permalink)
All excellent input!
 
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Re: Multiple Location Recording Basic Questions.. 2017/04/10 14:38:56 (permalink)
I've always moved the entire project but that only works if you're confident the laptop is fast enough to cope. Using an eSATA SSD makes transfer speeds trivial.
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Re: Multiple Location Recording Basic Questions.. 2017/04/10 14:40:37 (permalink)
I do this a lot. My laptop is from 2008. I keep both the laptop and main DAW up to date with CCC.
I don't use a lot of 3rd party plugs so both machines will load and play without issue. 
It is one reason I like Sonar, the ability to run on 2 machines. And tank goodness we get 2 copies of AD2. 
 
 
Songs are in project folders. And often the songs are in an album folder. The album or project folder is dated 
"Joe 04-08 2017"  
So all I need to do is copy the song or the album folder from machine to machine  and re date them to keep track. Way simple. 
 I have the 2 exact copies of the project on each machine. 
 
 
 
 
So it's like this: 
 
Once I have a good bed track for the song I save it to my main DAW.
I immediately "save as"   to a external dive putting it in a pre made "album" folder ( with date)  
Or I might copy paste the folder directly using Explorer. 
From the External drive it is copied to the laptop. 
I then go on location to the guest artists studio/ home and we record their part(s)
I re date the folder and copy it back to the external drive.
There will now be 2 versions on the external dive , great for back up redundancy.
Copy this new folder back to my main DAW and now I work with the new updated version,
Because there is back ups on the external drive and the laptop I can safely delete the original version, or you could keep them and file them in a back up drive out of harms way.  your choice. 
 
 
post edited by Cactus Music - 2017/04/10 16:32:49

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Re: Multiple Location Recording Basic Questions.. 2017/04/10 17:05:46 (permalink)
As a point of general consideration, I've also always had a studio tower and a laptop on the side but I find that recently, I've hardly turned on the tower at all. My new laptop has a desktop i7 6700 in it, 16GB RAM (space for 64 but I didn't see the need so far) and 4 disks (2x M2 SATA and two regular 2.5inch disks). It also has Thunderbolt, 4x USB3, two display ports and a HDMI port. Just to say that having a one-stop solution is more in reach than ever. I find it hard to think of anything I could do with a desktop that I couldn't do with this laptop (for my purposes). While a laptop isn't necessarily the most cost effective solution, it comes a lot closer when you don't need a tower at all anymore. And it obviously saves a lot of hassle with updates and maintenance, let alone copying stuff back and forth.
post edited by Sanderxpander - 2017/04/10 18:12:39
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Re: Multiple Location Recording Basic Questions.. 2017/04/11 16:15:21 (permalink)
Sanderxpander

Doesn't your computer get hot and run a noisy fan? Just curious.

This is why I avoid an over powered laptop.

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Multiple Location Recording Basic Questions.. 2017/04/11 16:53:04 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2017/04/12 18:14:27
No it doesn't, really. I have to admit it's a pretty big and heavy laptop, this would probably be an issue for really compact high powered models. But the cooling on mine is designed to deal with a GeForce 980 in addition to an i7 6700K and since I have a non K and the videocard isn't really stressed by Sonar it's pretty quiet. If I turn the fans to max manually it's definitely loud, they just don't need to work that hard with just the i7.
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