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2017/04/15 16:26:28 (permalink)

Sonar Event View just awful.

I just upgraded and I am not sure what the idea with the Event View is.
This thing is worse than flying Peter Griffin's cow-kite. 
Maybe I can configure this but it is simply bad.
 
This is why I have issues with subscriptions, because sometimes a company may feel compelled to make changes as a way of keeping subscriptions enticing.

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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/15 16:36:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Andreas.Schoter 2017/04/27 18:48:25
I do not believe the sales model has anything to do with how the event list looks today. The event list looked the same in X1.
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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/15 17:52:19 (permalink)
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I just upgraded and I am not sure what the idea with the Event View is.

What exactly is wrong with it? May be you can post a screen-shot (if it looks so bad on your installation).

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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/15 17:57:03 (permalink)
The Event Viewer hasn't changed in years. What version did you upgrade from?

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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/15 20:14:55 (permalink)
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I do not believe the sales model has anything to do with how the event list looks today. The event list looked the same in X1.



Come on scook. You really believe I think Cakewalk moved to subscription because of event viewer?
I am speaking in general, that when a software model is based on subscription, sometimes there is a pressure to deliver changes that may or may not be beneficial to users.

I believe similar concern has already been raised regarding changes to the Notation Editor:
Here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Unbelievable-Notation-Editor-now-Worse-than-Ever-m3587785.aspx
 
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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/15 20:32:48 (permalink)
The point is, the sales model has nothing to do with the Event List. As proof consider how long the Event List has existed in its present form. Furthermore, the Event List has nothing to do with the post you linked. If you choose to roll it all up in a big ball feel free to do so but I fail to see the value in the exercise.
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I am speaking in general, that when a software model is based on subscription, sometimes there is a pressure to deliver changes that may or may not be beneficial to users.

There are a variety of reasons software changes happen most have little to do with the way the product is acquired by users. Keep in mind Cakewalk only sells their software. The purchase may be made in a single payment or spread out over time. There is no SONAR subscription.
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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/15 20:57:32 (permalink)
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The point is, the sales model has nothing to do with the Event List. As proof consider how long the Event List has existed in its present form. Furthermore, the Event List has nothing to do with the post you linked. If you choose to roll it all up in a big ball, feel free to do so but I fail to see the value in the exercise.
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I am speaking in general, that when a software model is based on subscription, sometimes there is a pressure to deliver changes that may or may not be beneficial to users.

There are a variety of reasons software changes happen most have little to do with the way the product is acquired by users. Keep in mind Cakewalk only sells their software. The purchase may be made in a single payment or spread out over time. There is no SONAR subscription.



You keep talking about point of sale and a specific feature.
I am a customer, and like a movie review, I find a feature/scene horrible.
 
I may have referenced the wrong feature, given I am not at my computer but after I upgraded I noticed editing notes have changed.

It's subjective and obviously, I am not going to get in a ping-pong like argument. 

Thanks for the conversation.
 
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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/15 21:07:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby karhide 2017/04/15 21:41:04
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You keep talking about point of sale and a specific feature.

You brought it up.
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I am a customer, and like a movie review, I find a feature/scene horrible.

FWIW, I am a customer too. It is a shame you find a feature horrible. There is little I can do about that.
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I may have referenced the wrong feature, given I am not at my computer but after I upgraded I noticed editing notes have changed.

Maybe so, then I have no idea what you are posting about. Do you?
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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/15 22:16:51 (permalink)
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I just upgraded and I am not sure what the idea with the Event View is.
This thing is worse than flying Peter Griffin's cow-kite. 
Maybe I can configure this but it is simply bad.
 
This is why I have issues with subscriptions, because sometimes a company may feel compelled to make changes as a way of keeping subscriptions enticing.

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Sonar's event view is better than any other DAW.  It has color coding and you can make the text larger if necessary.  Not sure what problem you have with it, not to mention it hasn't changed in many years.
 
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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/15 22:17:50 (permalink)
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FWIW, I am a customer too.


My apologies: I was under the impression you are one of those Admins with second alias or account suppressing views of those who has not drank the cool aid and that are actual paying customers. Or you are simply one of those trolls/bullies.
 
Any one should be allowed to come in here and say they do not like something about the software. They should not need to have a justifiable reasons. I hate protocols, period! I prefer Sonar, I should not have to provide any reason.

You do not need to respond but again you just cannot help yourself. 
 
You can try to help me figure things out and try to understand my frustration or just not respond.
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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/15 22:30:50 (permalink)
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Sonar's event view is better than any other DAW.  It has color coding and you can make the text larger if necessary. 

 
The last time I used Sonar was version 8.5.
I think I attempted to edit and noticed a larger text, I was not sure how this happened. Given your responds, this may have happened because the track it self or clip was zoomed?

I also noticed that the icons on the Piano roll looked different after I upgraded, I am certain things can be configured however, I was not ready for the change at the moment given I was just beginning to get my feet wet after an 8 year hiatus. 
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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/15 22:32:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2017/04/17 00:36:39
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FWIW, I am a customer too.

My apologies: I was under the impression you are one of those Admins with second alias or account suppressing views of those who has not drank the cool aid and that are actual paying customers. Or you are simply one of those trolls/bullies.

It is clear you have not read many posts on the forum. All Cakewalk employees have [Cakewalk] at the end of the user names. I have never used an alternate account and do not need or ask your permission to post. If you want help consider posting in a way that might get results. There is nothing actionable in this post.
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I just upgraded and I am not sure what the idea with the Event View is.
This thing is worse than flying Peter Griffin's cow-kite. 
Maybe I can configure this but it is simply bad.
 
This is why I have issues with subscriptions, because sometimes a company may feel compelled to make changes as a way of keeping subscriptions enticing.

AI


Can you suggest how a user might help you with this?
 
On the other hand, if you just want to vent that is OK too. Based on your replies though, it is not clear what you are complaining about.
 
Good luck either way.
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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/15 23:40:07 (permalink)


"You keep talking about point of sale and a specific feature.
I am a customer, and like a movie review, I find a feature/scene horrible.
 
I may have referenced the wrong feature, given I am not at my computer but after I upgraded I noticed editing notes have changed.

It's subjective and obviously, I am not going to get in a ping-pong like argument. 

Thanks for the conversation."
 


I think it's actually the Piano Roll View you don't like, correct ?

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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/16 00:27:34 (permalink)
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Any one should be allowed to come in here and say they do not like something about the software. They should not need to have a justifiable reasons.


That would mean there was nothing to solve or discuss. Surely it would be more constructive to stick to reason and logic?
 
It is always tough coming back to software after a long break. Obviously much will have changed. More often than not frustration grows out of unfamiliarity rather than loss of functionality.
 
If the recent piano roll view changes are your gripe, stay tuned. As the bakers have indicated in other threads they are a work in progress. There is also much that is good in there if you spend a little time with it. I suspect given your hiatus though the frustration runs a litter deeper.
 
If you can outline the issues you are having there are many here that could assist. It is not going to help if you attack people like scook simply for posting facts that you don't agree with though. He arguably knows more about Sonar and has helped more people than just about anyone here.
post edited by tenfoot - 2017/04/17 00:21:28

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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/16 04:36:32 (permalink)
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Sonar's event view is better than any other DAW.  It has color coding and you can make the text larger if necessary.  
 


How does one make the text larger in Event View in Sonar? (Note I am using Sonar Platinum).   I have not been able to find where to do that.

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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/16 05:41:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby FCCfirstclass 2017/04/16 15:04:57
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Any one should be allowed to come in here and say they do not like something about the software. They should not need to have a justifiable reasons. 

Really? Well I don't like soggy chips and I'm not going to justify why! So there!
 
Thank you scook for all the assistance you give, I for one really appreciate all your effort. :)

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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/16 11:28:38 (permalink)
My only suggestion is if you want to bring up valid points (complain or vent), bring ammunition .
Im actually confused about what it is you don't like. Hope it all works out though.
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PS- For what's its worth, I've been using Sonar since Pro audio (around 1999) and the Event viewer hasn't changed much at all.

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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/16 11:46:04 (permalink)
I use the event list very often, because I have named audioclips and so I can very easy jump to this audioevents.
But I'm missing the possibility to name the audioclips within the event list.
I love the way to batch export audioclips because the files get the clipname.
But the way to name clips within the inspector is very unhappy, because you have to click the clip first, and then move the mouse to the inspector and then click again in a little row. And the inspector has only a little field. Longer names cannot displayed and are difficult to write.
So I would like an update to the event list in order to name audioclips.
 

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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/16 12:54:35 (permalink)
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I do not believe the sales model has anything to do with how the event list looks today. The event list looked the same in X1.



Come on scook. You really believe I think Cakewalk moved to subscription because of event viewer?
I am speaking in general, that when a software model is based on subscription, sometimes there is a pressure to deliver changes that may or may not be beneficial to users.

I believe similar concern has already been raised regarding changes to the Notation Editor:
Here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Unbelievable-Notation-Editor-now-Worse-than-Ever-m3587785.aspx
 


You can believe this but the premise seems very faulty. You use a feature that has not changed to prove your point. It seems to me that CW has a lot of features to add to Sonar just from the feature requests forum alone. They don't need to change a feature that works well as it is simply to change it for change sake.  

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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/16 15:59:04 (permalink)
Seems pretty clear to me the OP meant the PRV, but called it the Event View.

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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/16 17:27:33 (permalink)
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Sonar's event view is better than any other DAW.  It has color coding and you can make the text larger if necessary.  
 


How does one make the text larger in Event View in Sonar? (Note I am using Sonar Platinum).   I have not been able to find where to do that.


You can do it in Windows.  If you're running Windows 7, right-click on the desktop and choose Personalize/Display (left-hand lower corner) and then Set Custom Text Size DPI.    Any changes you make to the font size will impact the event list.  If you're running Windows 10 I don't know if it works the same way.
 
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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/16 18:26:03 (permalink)
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Seems pretty clear to me the OP meant the PRV, but called it the Event View.


So the OP is complaining about something and doesn't know what its called? 

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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/17 00:22:45 (permalink)
I have to admit, it does grizzle me when people come on here to complain, and then don't seem to have any idea what they are actually complaining about, or why they are complaining in the first place. Come on people, sort your crap out! Is this guy complaining about the events list or the prv? Both seem great to me in Sonar, and Sonar is not my only DAW.
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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/17 01:03:34 (permalink)
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This is why I have issues with subscriptions, because sometimes a company may feel compelled to make changes as a way of keeping subscriptions enticing.

 
Re-vamped MIDI was a common request from the community. The reaction to the PRV improvements has generally been favorable, and additional tweaks are forthcoming. 
 
You may be missing a salient point: what you call a "subscription" would be enticing only if the community approves of or enjoys the improvements. Many users are willing to adapt their workflow to take advantage of new features which, over the long run, generally result in more efficient operation. However, there are also people who have stayed on 8.5 because they have a similar outlook as yours.
 
Almost all companies upgrade their software over time; Cakewalk is no exception.

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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/27 16:59:34 (permalink)
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My only suggestion is if you want to bring up valid points (complain or vent), bring ammunition .
 


Sorry my friend I did not duck for cover. But became a little distracted by other life's event.

Today I received a message from Cakewalk, and while I have no issues with the message, the way parts of the message is worded may help explain my point.

When I upgraded, I did not read Terms, why? Because it does not matter to me, I just want to use the software regardless.

Now here is the message I received:
"Just days left before SONAR switches to simplified pricing! That means this is your last chance to upgrade or renew before the new pricing goes into effect on May 1st. You can read more about these pricing changes in our blog post here. Go to the Cakewalk Store today and snag an upgrade to SONAR Platinum to instantly gain access to exclusive features, like this month's Transform Tool! Offer ends midnight, April 30th."

My original point is, I feel if newly released features are tied to customer growth, then it adds or create a platform where I personally feel some things not necessarily needed are added constantly.

If someone ask me, what do you need from Cakewalk: I will say, stability. 

This type of practice is not isolated to Cakewalk, all companies do it, add a new color use same sound and change the name.

I should be able to complain and we can disagree, and that is okay.

Personally, I did not upgrade because of a feature or any email. I simply feel part of the Cakewalk journey. 
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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/27 17:06:43 (permalink)
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This is why I have issues with subscriptions, because sometimes a company may feel compelled to make changes as a way of keeping subscriptions enticing.

 
Re-vamped MIDI was a common request from the community. The reaction to the PRV improvements has generally been favorable, and additional tweaks are forthcoming. 
 
You may be missing a salient point: what you call a "subscription" would be enticing only if the community approves of or enjoys the improvements. Many users are willing to adapt their workflow to take advantage of new features which, over the long run, generally result in more efficient operation. However, there are also people who have stayed on 8.5 because they have a similar outlook as yours.
 
Almost all companies upgrade their software over time; Cakewalk is no exception.


Mr. Anderton:


I'll be the first to say that I am a Minimalist and a Traditionalist. 
As I indicated, Cakewalk is like a relative or a next door neighbor. If you ask me why I used Sonar, I will not tell you it is based on feature.

It's about feeling apart of something but that also mean I will get annoyed sometimes.

I have a full Adobe Suite and it's based on Subscription, so I get it.

I am just concern that sometimes when features are tied to growth, it can encourage tradition to become lost. 
I have seen brands become destroyed and identity lost because of this.

But that's for another post.


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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/27 17:08:58 (permalink)
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Sonar's event view is better than any other DAW.  It has color coding and you can make the text larger if necessary.  
 


How does one make the text larger in Event View in Sonar? (Note I am using Sonar Platinum).   I have not been able to find where to do that.


You can do it in Windows.  If you're running Windows 7, right-click on the desktop and choose Personalize/Display (left-hand lower corner) and then Set Custom Text Size DPI.    Any changes you make to the font size will impact the event list.  If you're running Windows 10 I don't know if it works the same way.
 
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But that is what annoyed me, I did not make any changes to present this effect. I simply opened a previous project and the zoom is like crazy. I have very limited time and did not want to spend it messing with text I did not change.

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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/27 17:16:46 (permalink)
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I have to admit, it does grizzle me when people come on here to complain, and then don't seem to have any idea what they are actually complaining about, or why they are complaining in the first place.



And there lies your problem: You could say, "How can I help? What are you having trouble with?"

What difference does it make what I complain about?

I have managed to resolve many issues just by looking at Help files. When I come to this forum it is mostly because I cannot find something or I am too frustrated to look.

I should not have to convince you or anyone else:


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Is this guy complaining about the events list or the prv? Both seem great to me in Sonar, and Sonar is not my only DAW.


I often wonder how people like you behave in society? How do you view other people who are not like you? You appear to sound like one of those people who will kick a person begging for change because you have a job and he/she doesn't.

So my problems are irrelevant because you have not experienced it?

Come on, I hope you are better than that.



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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/27 18:35:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2017/04/27 18:52:20
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And there lies your problem: You could say, "How can I help? What are you having trouble with?"

What difference does it make what I complain about?

This is User forum, where users try to help other users deal with the program. If you want just complain to Cakewalk, send them a mail/PM.
 
So far you refuse not only explain what is the problem but also refuse to clarify in which component you see the problem.
 
The thread is now completely off-topic.
 
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Re: Sonar Event View just awful. 2017/04/27 18:51:12 (permalink)
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 When I come to this forum it is mostly because I cannot find something or I am too frustrated to look.




Is that really how you see this forum as a place to come when you cant find something or your too frustrated to look ?
Maybe you have us confused with someone ho gets paid to answer your questions.
I love helping people, but when people take it for granitite, I wont even bother. And you'll find many others feel the same way.
 
When I said "Bring some ammo, I meant.. if your coming here to complain at least know what your complaining about. you can complain/vent all you want, many people do.
 
but not knowing proper terminology (the names of certain features) in your argument, well its hard to take someone serious when they don't know the features they are complaining about.
 
Good luck

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