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2017/04/26 14:56:59 (permalink)

Bass String Recommendations?

My church has a ESP Ltd. B-334 bass.  I've been here 8 months and know the strings have never been replaced.  I'm playing this week and was thinking they may need replacing soon.  While I took upright lessons back in the day, I don't play regularly, not in the know and we don't currently have a regular bassist to help.
 
Any suggestions on brand and model of good all-around strings for bass?
 
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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/04/26 15:26:47 (permalink)
You've played upright in the past, and you'll be playing church music with the ESP, so I'd suggest flatwound strings (think, the James Jamerson sound). A plus is that you'll never have to replace them.
 
I have Pyramid Gold flats (40-105) on my Fender J bass and love them. Very pricey, though.
 
http://www.stringsandbeyond.com/pyr-bass-long.html
 
You might want to check out these as an example (your ESP has a 34 inch scale):
 
https://www.ernieball.com/flatwound
 
 

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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/04/26 16:00:29 (permalink)
Perfect, thanks for info!

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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/04/26 16:18:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2017/04/28 14:14:33
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My church has a ESP Ltd. B-334 bass.  I've been here 8 months and know the strings have never been replaced.  I'm playing this week and was thinking they may need replacing soon.  



Be aware that many bass players go years without changing strings.

 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/04/26 16:49:09 (permalink)
+1 to the flat-wound. I just put round-wounds on a bass that hadn't been changed in 15 years, and the "zing" of the round-wounds is pretty prominent (mine has active pickups so makes this issue worse). In hindsight I should have gone with flat-wounds (and actually someone brought that up but I had already changed them out before I saw that advice).

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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/04/26 18:28:47 (permalink)
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+1 to the flat-wound. I just put round-wounds on a bass that hadn't been changed in 15 years, and the "zing" of the round-wounds is pretty prominent (mine has active pickups so makes this issue worse). In hindsight I should have gone with flat-wounds (and actually someone brought that up but I had already changed them out before I saw that advice).

Some of the hard rock and metal bass players change their roundwounds before every show. The "zing" as you call it helps the bass stand out in the live mix.
 
Problem is, the "zing" dulls after some playing. Roundwounds are cheaper, but then you're replacing them every so many hours of playing time. Good flatwounds just get better with age.

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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/04/26 19:22:48 (permalink)
Thanks all - it may very well be that they don't need changed but thought I might and now, may just go with the more expensive flat-wound knowing they'll be good to go for the foreseeable future!

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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/04/26 21:44:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby glennstanton 2017/04/27 13:24:32
If you want a nice warm, fat, sound then flats are great. Tape wounds are also good. Daddario Chromes are quite affordable flats. Your fingers will thank you.

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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/04/26 23:09:17 (permalink)
I say Flats might not be the best way to go if multiple players are using the bass you won't know if one of them has corrosive sweat. And personally as a sound man I would hate you. You need that piano ring or it's just "mud flaps my babe's got 'em."   I friend of mine will rot your stings after one night of playing, So he uses Elixer coated bass and his acoustic  guitar strings and they seem to last a long time for him. 
My self I just use these and change them when needed. I've gotten away with over a year if it's just studio work, but when I play in a band I change them after 8 gigs or so. I have only ever broken a bass string once and that was a long time ago.  
ANyhow these sell at under $20 a set and often go on sale. Flat wounds I think are 2x that price. They do last forever mainly because there's no place for dirt and gunk to build up. My friend use to boil his strings between gigs and he could do that for a long time until the peg winding got funky. 


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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/04/27 08:47:49 (permalink)
 
 
ghs have a set called 'pressure wounds'. Which are like a flattened round wound, which are a ligher brighter.
 
I have ghs flats on my Jazz Bass, and am really happy with them.
 
I have ghs tapewound on my acoustic, which are fantastic for that, nice mellow sound with less fret noise. They felt like rubber bands for a few hours, then the bed in a feel lovely.
 
Check out Scott's comaparison of flat, round and tape
https://youtu.be/ifqrU1Afd0E?t=394

 
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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/04/28 03:31:51 (permalink)
I just recently started trying the Pure Blues DR Bass string (PB Custom - 40 55 75 95)
 
From the website,
 
"PURE BLUES™ bass strings combine a fat, warm punch with an edge especially designed for the modern bass player. By combining a new and unique Quantum-Nickel with the highest possible standard in winding techniques, PURE BLUES bass strings achieve an unsurpassed sound and feel. Hand-wound on round cores for increased flexibility.  DR strings are handmade (not machine-made) because our expert string makers are capable of making micro adjustments needed throughout the winding process for the best sound and feel possible."
 
Check out the video clip for DR bass strings.
 
I went to a Gerald Veasley weekend Bass Camp several years ago in which my neighbor taught during the summer.  I met Victor Wooten and have never seen any one else play the bass guitar like the guy. 
 
Both of these guys are great bassist. (Check out their videos in the links.)
 
 
 

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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/04/28 08:35:41 (permalink)
Lot's of great options to choose from. All have their own pros and cons. Since I started using D'Addario strings for my 5-string bass, I'd get kudos from sound guys and fellow musicians at every gig, admitting it's the best tone they've heard in quite a while, and I'm not the best bass player around. 

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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/04/28 09:26:26 (permalink)
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By combining a new and unique Quantum-Nickel with the highest possible standard in winding techniques, PURE BLUES bass strings achieve an unsurpassed sound and feel. 

With Quantum nickel, when the bass is in it's case, the strings are both there and not there at the same time. You have to look at them.

 
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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/04/28 10:33:56 (permalink)
I use GHS "Brite Flats", which used to be called "Ground Wounds".  
I have an old Ibanez Blazer 4 string bass (P bass copy and maybe even one of the models in the copy law suit) and with a Sans Amp (bass model) I can get nearly an acoustic bass sound out it.
 
I've used this at Cowboy Church

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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/04/28 13:40:19 (permalink)
D'Addario medium nickle round wound on my Fender Precision - they give me a full range of tones - from a grand piano to nice acoustic-like bass. Flats on my Stagg EDB. D'Addario medium tapewound on my Fender Musicmaster (short scale). these last ones are just really fun to play, easy on the hands, and while fairly dull sounding, with the tone control all the way up are fine for most situations.

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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/04/28 14:32:27 (permalink)
For a good, relatively inexpensive flat/tapewound with a good depth and thud to it I think Rotosound Jazz bass 77 take some beating, especially for Precision type basses with a humbucker (the Fender split P Bass pickup is humbucking). The Rotosound nylon tape wrap make a pretty good upright bass kind of sound that works well for some jazz and blues.

As for how often bass strings need changing, somewhere on Carol Kaye's website it says she never changed a set of strings during her decades of peak demand as a session player. Apparently, back when she was playing sessions almost every day, she'd trade a bass in every two years rather than lose work waiting for a refret to be done so the strings never had time to wear out.

Flats/tapes do keep their tone and stability much longer than roundwounds though, so it really depends on the strings themselves.

Roundwound have more treble content and twang and can help fill out a small band and make the percussive slap and pop styles work, but they lose tone over a few months or even less. Stainless roundwounds are very bright. Flats sit more in the bottom of the mix so are less likely to conflict with instruments in the mid frequencies and usually last until the frets start wearing grooves in them.

It might be good idea to get an inexpensive set of each style, try them and see what works best in a band context.

As for makes, I like Rotosound for bass (but not guitar). I suggest avoiding Washburn roundwound, they're very rough and feel like playing on a sharp, coarse wood rasp.

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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/04/28 15:39:43 (permalink)
Scott (Scott's Bass Lessons) just released this video 3 days ago. Perfect timing. Shows a good hack when installing round-wounds.
 


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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/04/28 16:07:47 (permalink)
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Scott (Scott's Bass Lessons) just released this video 3 days ago. Perfect timing. Shows a good hack when installing round-wounds.
 



http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3597556


 
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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/04/28 20:14:05 (permalink)
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By combining a new and unique Quantum-Nickel with the highest possible standard in winding techniques, PURE BLUES bass strings achieve an unsurpassed sound and feel. 

With Quantum nickel, when the bass is in it's case, the strings are both there and not there at the same time. You have to look at them.


It must be helluva shredinger bass.

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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/04/29 12:00:11 (permalink)
Wow, great info & links y'all - thank you!  I'm not even sure they need changed so I'll wait till my regular bassist gets back from school for the summer.  I'll send him a link to this thread and see if he wants to demo some of these suggestions.

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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/05/01 11:02:16 (permalink)
I've tried several but I always seem to end up going back to the old reliable Rotosound Swing Bass I used when I 16. Way too much bright ring when they're brand new? Yep. Way too dead after a couple months? Yep. And in between, it just sounds like a bass is supposed to sound to me.

 
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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/05/01 12:05:13 (permalink)
In the early 70's I worked at a Nashville music store (I was the amp tech) and helped out in sales at times.  Rotosound's were the biggest seller to road pickers (and Ampeg B15N amps were also popular).

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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/05/10 00:32:47 (permalink)
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My church has a ESP Ltd. B-334 bass.  I've been here 8 months and know the strings have never been replaced.  I'm playing this week and was thinking they may need replacing soon.  



Be aware that many bass players go years without changing strings.


I probably haven't changed mine in, at least a year.

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Re: Bass String Recommendations? 2017/05/12 03:29:35 (permalink)
The bass strings that I use don't seem to be available anymore, i.e. Rotosound Superwound 606. Apparently the current equivalent no longer offers a choice of gauges. Fortunately I still have a few of the old sets left.
 
The unique feature of this type of string is the that the wound section doesn't cover the entire length of the string. Like a piano string, the windings don't start until after the bridge, so that part of the short plain section rests on the bridge saddle.

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