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2017/05/07 14:47:55 (permalink)

Issues with step Sequencer

I recently discovered step sequencer and have found it useful for drum programming, but it's playback is very unstable. Sometimes it plays and sometimes not. If the drums stops then I can stop the playback and start again and they will be fine. Sometime it starts a pattern at the wrong time. This happens during normal playback along with my other tracks. If I just press the play buttin in the sequencer window there's no problems. Anybody else have had these issues ?

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Re: Issues with step Sequencer 2017/05/07 14:50:18 (permalink)
I have not used it that much but I have not had those issues.

Which version of Sonar are you using and what plugin?

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Re: Issues with step Sequencer 2017/05/07 14:53:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2017/05/07 23:43:55
To stop dropping notes try increasing the "Prepare Using nnn Millisecond Buffers" in Preferences > MIDI > Playback and Recording from 250 to 500 or 750
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Re: Issues with step Sequencer 2017/05/07 15:05:17 (permalink)
In the Sequencer window, the play will always the sequencer in a loop.
 
In the transport bar, unless you've set loop recording, it play continuously, bar after bar, so it leaves the step sequencer behind. Depending on how you have set up the stop button it will either stop, or return to the 'now time'. If the 'Now Time' is in the middle of the sequencer play position, it will rewind to the middle of the pattern.
 

 
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Re: Issues with step Sequencer 2017/05/07 15:06:52 (permalink)
I have started to notice that when I have a SS start on the very first note of the project, that note will get dropped. I will try to see if scook's idea works.

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Re: Issues with step Sequencer 2017/05/07 18:48:37 (permalink)
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I have not used it that much but I have not had those issues.

Which version of Sonar are you using and what plugin?

I'm using Sonar Pro with Battery 4
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To stop dropping notes try increasing the "Prepare Using nnn Millisecond Buffers" in Preferences > MIDI > Playback and Recording from 250 to 500 or 750


Thanks for the suggestion. Did not change anything.
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In the Sequencer window, the play will always the sequencer in a loop.
 
In the transport bar, unless you've set loop recording, it play continuously, bar after bar, so it leaves the step sequencer behind. Depending on how you have set up the stop button it will either stop, or return to the 'now time'. If the 'Now Time' is in the middle of the sequencer play position, it will rewind to the middle of the pattern.
 


Thanks for the inof. All of this happening is compeletely random though. The odd thing is that it never happens when exporting the whole audio.



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Re: Issues with step Sequencer 2017/05/07 19:08:11 (permalink)
I don't use battery much these days but will try tomorrow to see if I can reproduce the issue.

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Re: Issues with step Sequencer 2017/05/07 19:37:53 (permalink)
been a problem for years.  no one responded ever to many people complaining about it.
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Re: Issues with step Sequencer 2017/05/07 20:08:11 (permalink)
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been a problem for years.  no one responded ever to many people complaining about it.


Now that I can believe. I guess I will have to finish my editing and the choose "bounce to clips". Then there's no issue, but then of course I loose the ability to edit in the sequencer.



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Re: Issues with step Sequencer 2017/05/07 20:09:38 (permalink)
yup, i always have to then convert back to step sequencer if i need to use it again.  really annoying.   its simply broken as is a lot of thier MIDI stuff.   feature enhancements are great, but what about FIXING the actual MIDI implementation!
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Re: Issues with step Sequencer 2017/05/07 20:21:08 (permalink)
Do you have the latest EIE Pro drivers - http://www.akaipro.com/product/eiepro#downloads
 
I need a better idea of what the issue is. If I have a Step Sequence happening, I can place the Now Cursor anywhere in the Track View and the sequence plays as expected. IOW if the Now time starts before the Step Sequencer, when it hits the sequence, it starts playing. If the Now time starts at some point in the Step Sequencer, it plays back the sequence from that point.
 
Of course under those conditions I ignore the Step Sequencer play button because the Track View playback takes priority. If you want to be able to trigger from the Track View and edit in the Step Sequencer, you need to loop the step sequencer clip so that it will loop during playback.
 
If you cannot do the above, then please explain in more detail what the problem is. The SS has always been solid for me for years so I'm kind of surprised at the comment "it's been a problem for years." Maybe a clearer description of exactly what you're experiencing would help.
 
 

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Re: Issues with step Sequencer 2017/05/07 20:59:54 (permalink)
the problem is random and sometimes works and sometimes doesn't even in the same project.  I notice it especially when exporting to an audio track.   Sometimes you will get 1 bar of drums and the rest goes silent, sometimes it goes in and out....  but ONLY if I leave them in step sequencer clips.  Once I bounce to clips it is fine. 

Been going on for years.   
 
I notice it gets worse the more SS clips you have.   I also notice it is worse if you have a mix of SS clips and standard MIDI clips together (they might have to overlap using take lanes).
 
 
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Re: Issues with step Sequencer 2017/05/07 21:03:29 (permalink)
I use the step sequencer a fair bit to drive external hardware and VST drums and don't have any problems with the transport at all.
 
However, since I seem to have stumbled into a bunch of other folk who use it, could I ask you, if you have time to take a look at this problem report and see if you can reproduce it?
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Unlinking-step-sequencer-clips-in-Sonar-Pro-m3597597.aspx
 
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Re: Issues with step Sequencer 2017/05/08 02:04:19 (permalink)
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{quote=Kamikaze]
In the Sequencer window, the play will always the sequencer in a loop.
 
In the transport bar, unless you've set loop recording, it play continuously, bar after bar, so it leaves the step sequencer behind. Depending on how you have set up the stop button it will either stop, or return to the 'now time'. If the 'Now Time' is in the middle of the sequencer play position, it will rewind to the middle of the pattern.
 


Thanks for the inof. All of this happening is compeletely random though. The odd thing is that it never happens when exporting the whole audio.






It's would feel random though, if you weren't now marker is being moved, or you are not setting loop points from the project properly. And of course it wouldn't effect export.
 
If you set the loop in the track view, have the now time positioned at the start (with 'On Stop Rewind to Now Marker' selected in the Options menu). The two play buttons sill respond differently.
 
The Play in the Step sequencer will start from the beginning.  
The Play in the Transport, will from where ever you are in the timeline. If you press play, then stop, it rewinds to the beginning (The now marker that you set) and will play from there.
 
This can look random if you are not getting it. Maybe you are, an I'm getting it wrong, but the picture of confusion you have painted looks like this to me.
 
Can you give a screen print of when it's happening.
 
Step Sequencer has been solid for me, I use a lot and I don't run a power computer
 
 
  
 

 
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