Grudunza
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Where are V-Vocal, Lexicon, native CW effects?
So I still use 8.5 for a lot of projects, though I have updated through to Platinum. But recently, I noticed that I don't have the same basic things I used to in 8.5... Lexicon Reverb, the basic set of CW effects. Sonitus is still there, but not those other ones. And V-Vocal still shows up as an option, but is grayed out for use.
If I open up old projects that used Lexicon or the other CW effects, they are still there and sound fine and can be exported and such. But any idea about why they are no longer showing up in 8.5 for me? Did one of the later installs (X3, Plat, etc.) make those things go away? I'm running 8.5 (64) on a Win7 machine.
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Re: Where are V-Vocal, Lexicon, native CW effects?
2017/05/11 18:48:00
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☄ Helpfulby glennstanton 2017/05/15 13:23:00
I'm making the same transition from 8.5 to Platinum. I was able to get V-Vocal working because I haven't learned how to use Melodyne yet. Check out all of the paths that you use for plugins in 8.5 (using the plugin manager tool) and then put all of those paths in the plugin manager in Platinum. That should do it as I have all of my old plugins available in Platinum now.
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Grudunza
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Re: Where are V-Vocal, Lexicon, native CW effects?
2017/05/11 19:25:03
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I want those things to work in 8.5, though, not Platinum.
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Re: Where are V-Vocal, Lexicon, native CW effects?
2017/05/11 19:43:57
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They should still be there. AFAIK, new SONAR installs do not delete anything. First, check to see if Pantheon and V-Vocal are still physically there. I don't have 8.5 anymore, but IIRC V-Vocal was under Shared DXi. Pantheon may have been in a subdirectory below vstplugins, but I don't recall.
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Grudunza
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Re: Where are V-Vocal, Lexicon, native CW effects?
2017/05/11 20:10:14
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Peripheral question... how do I uninstall Platinum? I don't even see it in the list of programs in Control Panel.
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Re: Where are V-Vocal, Lexicon, native CW effects?
2017/05/11 20:13:24
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I wouldn't do it. You could accidentally get rid of something you want to keep. Even if you wanted to revert to 8.5 for good, many of the newer plugins that came with Platinum can be used in 8.5.
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Re: Where are V-Vocal, Lexicon, native CW effects?
2017/05/11 20:13:29
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Anything installed with the Command Center is maintained in the Command Center. Right-click an item in the Command Center to see the uninstall option on the context menu.
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Grudunza
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Re: Where are V-Vocal, Lexicon, native CW effects?
2017/05/11 20:16:01
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Ah, command center. Ok, right.
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Re: Where are V-Vocal, Lexicon, native CW effects?
2017/05/11 20:16:09
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Pantheon should be under Program Files/Cakewalk/Shared Plugins.
V-Vocal and Pantheon are DX plugins. So you don't need to set the paths in VST Scan.
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Re: Where are V-Vocal, Lexicon, native CW effects?
2017/05/11 20:17:39
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bitflipper
I wouldn't do it. You could accidentally get rid of something you want to keep. Even if you wanted to revert to 8.5 for good, many of the newer plugins that came with Platinum can be used in 8.5.
But if it's holding up V-Vocal and other things from being used in 8.5, I'd probably rather not have it. I use that more than any of whatever came with Plat. Better case would be to figure out how to get that stuff working in 8.5 again, without removing Plat. But it seems as though that is the culprit, somehow, right?
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Grudunza
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Re: Where are V-Vocal, Lexicon, native CW effects?
2017/05/11 20:26:32
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bitflipper
They should still be there. AFAIK, new SONAR installs do not delete anything. First, check to see if Pantheon and V-Vocal are still physically there. I don't have 8.5 anymore, but IIRC V-Vocal was under Shared DXi. Pantheon may have been in a subdirectory below vstplugins, but I don't recall.
So, the plugs I'm looking for are in the Cakewalk>Shared Plugins folder. Pantheon, classicphaser, AmpSim, all of that. V-Vocal has a folder under Shared DXi, and says Cronus.dll (?). So why are they not showing up in 8.5? I tried copying the Pantheon dll to the VST folder, and rescanning... still nothing.
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Re: Where are V-Vocal, Lexicon, native CW effects?
2017/05/11 20:34:08
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You could just try running the 8.5 installer again, and make sure that all of the plugin options are checked under advanced install setting.
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Re: Where are V-Vocal, Lexicon, native CW effects?
2017/05/11 21:23:44
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Double check the plugin paths in 8.5 in case the SPLST install changed them. When you say "I tried copying the Pantheon dll to the VST folder" - that won't help if the folder isn't in the list of 8.5 paths.
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Re: Where are V-Vocal, Lexicon, native CW effects?
2017/05/12 01:57:17
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Platinum screws up things in 8.53.
In particular, the plugin manager. This may be your problem.
If you roll back to the Dec 2016 version of Platinum, the PM seems to be OK.
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Re: Where are V-Vocal, Lexicon, native CW effects?
2017/05/12 13:29:47
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have you tried rescanning your plug ins ?
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Re: Where are V-Vocal, Lexicon, native CW effects?
2017/05/12 13:48:36
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☄ Helpfulby Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk] 2017/05/12 20:31:58
As best I can tell the "missing" plug-ins are DX format.
DX plug-ins do not rely on users defining paths to their locations. DX plug-ins are registered during installation. Moving them to a VST folder will not help, in fact that will break the ability of SONAR to find them since SONAR relies on the information placed in the registry during installation.
Running the VST scanner will not help, it does not work with DX plug-ins.
While SONAR installers will update plug-ins and utilities, the installers do not remove them.
Since the plug-ins work in existing projects, this would suggest the plug-ins are installed correctly and SONAR can find them. It seems like the plug-ins are missing for the current layout. Is the plug-in layout set to "Default all plug-ins?"
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Re: Where are V-Vocal, Lexicon, native CW effects?
2017/05/12 15:47:02
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Grudunza
If I open up old projects that used Lexicon or the other CW effects, they are still there and sound fine and can be exported and such. But any idea about why they are no longer showing up in 8.5 for me? Did one of the later installs (X3, Plat, etc.) make those things go away? I'm running 8.5 (64) on a Win7 machine.
As I said above, it's broken. Platinum installs a new Plugin manager that overwrites 8.5's. This is a shared utility that 8.5 doesn't work correctly with. 8.5 projects will load with plugins intact. and plugs should be visible in the plugin manager and plugs 'should' work in projects using existing plugin layouts. But, any new plugins or plugin layouts created will not be available for new instances from within the project window in 8.5 (track view or console view). A possible semi-workaround, that I haven't tried yet, would be to uninstall all Cakewalk. Then, install 32 bit 8.5 and 64 bit Platinum. Each would then use their own Plugin manager. (Hypothetically.) Yea, it sucks.
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Re: Where are V-Vocal, Lexicon, native CW effects?
2017/05/13 14:39:43
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I have Platinum and I am able to use V-Vocal. After I installed/upgraded to Platinum, I installed an older version of Sonar, probably the last version that still had it. No problems here...
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Re: Where are V-Vocal, Lexicon, native CW effects?
2017/05/13 14:57:48
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