jude77
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Who can identify this instrument for me?
I need someone to identify the organ used in the song "You Didn't Have to be So Nice" by the Loving Spoonful. I think it's the same kind used by the Boxtops on "The letter". I'm a guitar player so i don't know these things. Someone please help me!
I was going to name this thread "Can Someone PLease Identify this Organ", but I could only imagine the replies that would have gotten!!
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
2017/05/14 03:06:50
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I'm not sure but I bet Ham N Egz can tell you! I always thought they were Farfisa organs in that time frame but I saw a few Hammonds too
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
2017/05/14 03:14:30
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jude77
I need someone to identify the organ used in the song "You Didn't Have to be So Nice" by the Loving Spoonful. I think it's the same kind used by the Boxtops on "The letter". I'm a guitar player so i don't know these things. Someone please help me!
The organ is really buried in the mix on both songs. I'm guessing either Vox Continental or a Farfisa. I'm not a keyboard player, but often look for those vintage sounds in recording and cover tunes.
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/05/14 18:55:33
It could be either the pancreas or the liver... But I might have my organs messed up...
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
2017/05/14 06:15:41
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In the Boxtops video I saw, it was a Hammond B3 .....the king of all organs. A huge drawbar and tone wheel double manual beast, usually played thru a Leslie rotory speaker.......break your roadie's back....The B3 has percussion, Sounded like he wasn't using the percussion tabs. Everybody from Jimmy Smith to Procul Harem (Whiter Shade of Pale) to Steppenwolf, Three Dog Night, Deep Purple, ELP, Kansas (Wayward Son) and Gregg Allman wailed on this monster...............sounds go from sweet and gentle to Meaner than Hell..................There's a great, free VST called VB3 that nails the sound and includes the rotory speaker/doppler sound...........its a killer set of keys..........Ron
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
2017/05/14 07:08:10
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My best friend growing up was a manager at a Sherman Clay Organs and Pianos store on the west coast (and top salesman three years in a row Nationwide - yes, he was over the top annoying - lol!).
Back in 1987 he got a call from a lady whose husband had passed away. She wanted him to come take an organ he had kept covered in one room of the house. She was willing to give my friend $200 if he would just take it away. She hated the thing with a passion because her husband seemed to pay it more attention to it than her. My friend pulls the cover back to see an immaculate B3 and just about falls over. "This could be worth a lot of money!" my friend tells her and she replies "I don't care if it's worth a million, I hate it and I want it out of here!" My friend says "Ok, but I'll give you $500 for it." She was surprised to get anything, but didn't have a clue what it was really worth. He sold it the next month to a Japanese investor for over $29,000. Turns out it had papers inside it proving the Rolling Stones had used it.
Just another reason why I never trust sales people! LOL!
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
2017/05/14 13:03:41
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I don't believe it's an organ. What I hear is a Wurlitzer EP.
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jude77
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
2017/05/14 18:41:39
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Thanks guys!
Bitflipper, do you hear a Wurli even in the Boxtops tune?
This is ALL very helpful.
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
2017/05/14 20:21:25
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For what it's worth ... Here's a YouTube of the Boxtops playing "The Letter" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9FwcZS8zaQIt appears to be a live recording. Looks like a Vox in the video, but who knows what was used in the studio. Jude77, you could try playing around with some of the electric piano and organ sounds using the synths packaged with various versions of SONAR to get a sense of the various sounds.
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
2017/05/14 21:48:29
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Tom B
For what it's worth ...
Here's a YouTube of the Boxtops playing "The Letter" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9FwcZS8zaQ
It appears to be a live recording. Looks like a Vox in the video, but who knows what was used in the studio.
Jude77, you could try playing around with some of the electric piano and organ sounds using the synths packaged with various versions of SONAR to get a sense of the various sounds.
TomB: Thanks for finding me that link. It's much appreciated. I'm starting to think it's a Vox, which I'm realizing is going to be a tough sound to find.
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
2017/05/15 00:09:10
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The Vox Continental and Super Continental combo organs ( which I owned and played ) are solid state and have a harsher, more limited "electric" sound than the Hammond B3. Both have drawbars rather than tabs. The free VST "VB3" is based on the Hammond which is a much more capable instrument. I use the "VB3" and can easily get 60's combo organ sounds which are less complex than the Hammond sound. The "VB3" has three sets of drawbars, overdrive, rotor and many other options. If you can't find a Vox you should download the "VB3", I think it will do the job and its a much more varied instrument IMO. than the Vox. Just trying to help......good luck......Ron.
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
2017/05/15 02:07:32
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savageopera
The Vox Continental and Super Continental combo organs ( which I owned and played ) are solid state and have a harsher, more limited "electric" sound than the Hammond B3. Both have drawbars rather than tabs. The free VST "VB3" is based on the Hammond which is a much more capable instrument. I use the "VB3" and can easily get 60's combo organ sounds which are less complex than the Hammond sound. The "VB3" has three sets of drawbars, overdrive, rotor and many other options. If you can't find a Vox you should download the "VB3", I think it will do the job and its a much more varied instrument IMO. than the Vox. Just trying to help......good luck......Ron.
Ron: Thank you VERY MUCH for weighing in. I will definitely check out the VB3. What I'm liking about the sound in "Nice" and "Letter" is the nice round tone that the organ has. To me it sounds sort of like a calliope. However, I am very organ illiterate. Do you think the Hammond could get in that ball park?
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
2017/05/15 02:12:19
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Hard to believe all those kids in the vid are now pushin' 70.
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
2017/05/15 03:27:31
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The "rounder" calliope sound you describe is easy for the VB3 to generate. There are about 30 presets and the drawbars make the choices practically infinite. As I said before "from sweet and gentle, to Meaner than Hell".You can sculpt the presets or "design" from scratch just about any kind of organ sound you want easily, and Its free so give it a shot.........check it out on Youtube.. type in "VB3" or "ORGANized trio" .........then Google "ORGANized trio" @ "VST for Free" to get the free download............you won't be disappointed...............good luck...........Ron
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
2017/05/15 17:43:16
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savageopera
The "rounder" calliope sound you describe is easy for the VB3 to generate. There are about 30 presets and the drawbars make the choices practically infinite. As I said before "from sweet and gentle, to Meaner than Hell".You can sculpt the presets or "design" from scratch just about any kind of organ sound you want easily, and Its free so give it a shot.........check it out on Youtube.. type in "VB3" or "ORGANized trio" .........then Google "ORGANized trio" @ "VST for Free" to get the free download............you won't be disappointed...............good luck...........Ron
Many thanks!!
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
2017/05/16 21:47:56
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jude77
Bitflipper, do you hear a Wurli even in the Boxtops tune?
No, I was referring to the Lovin' Spoonful tune. In The Letter it's a Vox Continental. They may have used the proceeds from that hit to later upgrade to a Hammond, but in the original recording it's definitely a Continental. For reference, compare with these other classic examples of the Continental in 60's pop: - The Monkees doing Neil Diamond's "I'm a Believer" - The Animals, "House of the Rising Sun" - Dave Clark Five, "Because" - The Doors, "Light My Fire" - Iron Butterfly, "Inna Gadda da Vida" - Question Mark & The Mysterians, "96 Tears"
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
2017/05/17 00:48:51
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jude77
Bitflipper, do you hear a Wurli even in the Boxtops tune?
No, I was referring to the Lovin' Spoonful tune.
In The Letter it's a Vox Continental. They may have used the proceeds from that hit to later upgrade to a Hammond, but in the original recording it's definitely a Continental.
For reference, compare with these other classic examples of the Continental in 60's pop:
- The Monkees doing Neil Diamond's "I'm a Believer"
- The Animals, "House of the Rising Sun"
- Dave Clark Five, "Because"
- The Doors, "Light My Fire"
- Iron Butterfly, "Inna Gadda da Vida"
- Question Mark & The Mysterians, "96 Tears"
Excellent! That's what I needed to know.
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
2017/05/17 07:54:36
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That's the start of a pretty fun playlist right there! Maybe add Strawberry Alarm Clock with Incense and Peppermints... 
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
2017/05/17 13:44:45
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Good point, Craig. I forgot about that one. "Keep on Dancing" (forget the band name) is another. Also "We Ain't Got Nothing Yet" by the Bloos Magoos.
Of course, a list of every 60's song with a Vox Continental in it would be a very long list. I had one back in the day and I still like the sound of it, especially through a Leslie sim.
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
2017/05/17 13:54:16
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Sadly the free Martinic Model V, a excellent Vox emulation is no longer officaly available from source but I found it here http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Audio-Plugins/Combo-Model-V.shtml#download I am not sure how ligit this link is, beware of all the clickbate if you go to the site, but the actual download appears fine. There are 32 and 64 bit VSTs. I beleive it was withdrawn when the developer was employed on Arturia's Vox emulation. The Arturia one is nice with a lot of added effects and features but the freebee will give you the basics to which you can add your own effects. If you have the full version of Kontakt Hollow Sun's Vox is very nice for £15. Native Instruments Vintage Organs has Vox, Farfisa and Hammond organs, the hammonds are not quite up to VB3's standard but its a good all round package. UVI has a VOX continental and several other models in their Retro Organ Suite but you don't have the control you do on the other products I mentioned.
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Re: Who can identify this instrument for me?
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Luckily, I still have the Martinic Model V from back when it was a legitimate freebie. Given that it suddenly disappeared from every server that had previously hosted it, I'm guessing that part of his terms of employment with Arturia was that it be pulled from all distribution. I'm sure they didn't want to compete with a freebie that had 99% of the same features as their $149 product.  Fortunately, nothing ever truly disappears from the internet. The Hollow Sun library is pretty good for, IIRC, 25 bucks. As a general rule, sampled organs don't give you the same tonal scope as a synth-based emulation, but this one throws in the standard Kontakt Leslie and chorus effects to make up for any sonic limitations. There are also some free samples out there if you google "Vox Continental samples", but I haven't tried any of them.
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