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2017/05/15 15:05:56 (permalink)
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Instruments shift

So I'm on Windows 10 Home now. Pretty strange thing, happened to me in each of my few sessions with Sonar Pro:
I got some instrument tracks, e.g.
[Hybrid][Hybrid MIDI](Plays on Hybrid)
[AD][AD MIDI](Plays on AD)
[XPand][XPand MIDI](Plays on XPand)
..
 
All of a sudden everything shifts up by one:
[Hybrid][Hybrid MIDI](Plays on AD)
[AD][AD MIDI](Plays on XPand)
[XPand][XPand MIDI](Plays nothing)
 
I have no idea what I did wrong. Undoing doesn't change anything. Pretty sure it's a bug.
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Re: Instruments shift 2017/05/16 20:00:17 (permalink)
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Hi same for me  tried renaming then it moved again when i inserted Bus track. 
 
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Re: Instruments shift 2017/05/17 14:55:38 (permalink)
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It keeps happening. Now I accidentally saved it like this on a finished project. Every instrument shifted. How can I at least repair this?
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Re: Instruments shift 2017/05/17 17:43:39 (permalink)
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Maybe with the help of this image someone can solve this mystery? (because I can't)
 
How can Instrument track 4 play on Instrument track 3? Would that even be possible, I mean if you intended to do that?
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Re: Instruments shift 2017/05/17 17:49:55 (permalink)
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I don't understand...   Track 4 (Iris) is in-focus, but it's track 3 (Vacuum) whose FX Bin > plugin you have selected/open - the track name is displayed in the MB plugin window.
 

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Re: Instruments shift 2017/05/17 18:07:06 (permalink)
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I don't understand...   Track 4 (Iris) is in-focus, but it's track 3 (Vacuum) whose FX Bin > plugin you have selected/open - the track name is displayed in the MB plugin window.
 


That's exactly the problem. The midi from Track 4 plays on Track 3. But it shouldn't. If I put the midi on Track 3 it plays on Track 2. For all the instruments. I think it happened when I created the last instrument track (hybrid), before everything was fine.
 
Audio tracks are not affected.
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Re: Instruments shift 2017/05/17 19:29:28 (permalink)
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OK, that is weird...  I don't think I've ever come across that before.  And the outputs themselves for all tracks are pointing to the expected synths?    

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Re: Instruments shift 2017/05/17 22:23:29 (permalink)
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I never use simple instrument tracks which might be why I haven't seen this, but you aren't the first person to complain about this problem (I've seen at least one other thread).  Something is definitely messed up. 
 
You might want to try spiting the instrument track (select the track, right click "Split Instrument Track").  Then you should be able to control which MIDI track feeds into which synth and which synth feeds into which audio track.

-Matt
 
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Re: Instruments shift 2017/05/18 06:15:11 (permalink)
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Ok I found one cause now (not sure if it's the only one). Stevec pointed me in the right direction. I actually wasn't fully aware where I can assign the output of an instrument track, cause I never used it (but was looking for it ever so often). It's on the left sidebar panel with the title "Clip | Track | ProCh".
 
It happens when I switch on my M-Audio Axiom 25 USB midi keyboard while playback.

 
At least I can fix it now without too much circumference. But that's definitely a bug and should be fixed codewise.
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Re: Instruments shift 2017/05/18 12:31:11 (permalink)
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Not a bug. Sonar keeps track of your midi interfaces through Windows. Windows assigns an ID number for every midi device it sees. Sonar simply records this list internally. You should never turn on/off a midi device once Sonar is open. Always make sure every device you want Sonar to see is on before starting Sonar.
 
Is it possible that Sonar could be smarter about how it keeps track of midi devices? Sure.
 
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Re: Instruments shift 2017/05/18 12:58:11 (permalink)
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Ok I found one cause now (not sure if it's the only one). Stevec pointed me in the right direction. I actually wasn't fully aware where I can assign the output of an instrument track, cause I never used it (but was looking for it ever so often). It's on the left sidebar panel with the title "Clip | Track | ProCh".
 
It happens when I switch on my M-Audio Axiom 25 USB midi keyboard while playback.

 
At least I can fix it now without too much circumference. But that's definitely a bug and should be fixed codewise.




Hey, that's good news!   I'm glad you were able to work it out.  

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Re: Instruments shift 2017/05/18 15:29:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby occide 2017/05/18 17:49:49
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I'm still wondering just how the outputs for virtual instrument tracks could shift to different tracks in the first place.
 
It's not like they are dependent on any external hardware being attached and switched on when Sonar is started.  That may be the case for MIDI inputs, or audio outputs, but not for VSTi outputs.

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Re: Instruments shift 2017/05/18 16:27:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby occide 2017/05/18 17:50:04
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Have the same keys and i often have to plug it in when Sonar is on because windows does not recognize
it, although this has always been the case and the instrument shift prob has only just started.
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Re: Instruments shift 2017/05/18 16:47:11 (permalink)
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Actually im not sure how you have solved this can you be more specific?   Cheers John 
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Re: Instruments shift 2017/05/18 16:57:56 (permalink)
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I'm still wondering just how the outputs for virtual instrument tracks could shift to different tracks in the first place.
 
It's not like they are dependent on any external hardware being attached and switched on when Sonar is started.  That may be the case for MIDI inputs, or audio outputs, but not for VSTi outputs.




My guess is it's related to an change a couple of months ago in how midi devices were stored within a project. I'm thinking that a midi output driving a VST is treated just like an external device internally.
 
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Re: Instruments shift 2017/05/18 17:52:02 (permalink)
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Actually im not sure how you have solved this can you be more specific?   Cheers John 


Haven't solved it, just found the cause. Switching on my midi keyboard. And the "solution" is to manually re-assign the outputs of the changed tracks (see my previous post to find out why how).
 
That's definitely a bug, not a feature...
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Re: Instruments shift 2017/05/18 18:04:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby occide 2017/05/18 18:06:41
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