Glyn Barnes
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A funny old world
Sample library developers go to great lengths to include pedal thumps and other noises to add "realism" to their piano libraries (I always turn it off or down). Meanwhile other software developers devise ways to remove thuds from real piano recordings.
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Re: A funny old world
2017/05/18 20:13:36
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Just wait until the fashion is to record sampled instruments with the noises and then process them out later. The theory being that the artifiacts from removing the noise convince people that the original instrument was real.
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Re: A funny old world
2017/05/19 00:18:54
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Glyn Barnes
Sample library developers go to great lengths to include pedal thumps and other noises to add "realism" to their piano libraries (I always turn it off or down).
Meanwhile other software developers devise ways to remove thuds from real piano recordings.
Never got that concept either. It's the same as key clacks from woodwinds. Never heard either in a recording.
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Re: A funny old world
2017/05/19 13:44:38
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Maybe it's because traditionally people have complained about the lack of realism. If something sounds too perfect, it doesn't often work.
Those thumps would add realism.
I don't use them either, but I could see them if you were trying for a "Tom Waits" type of production. A lot of his recordings haven't had great production, but there's something endearing in it.
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Re: A funny old world
2017/05/19 14:07:53
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kitekrazy1
Never heard either in a recording.
Exactly. Not in a pop recording anyway. Listen to Glenn Gould recordings and you can hear him mumbling the tune as he plays. It's what your going for I guess. But if it's pop, then no you don't want that. Like Glyn says, I always turn the keyup or pedal sound way down or off.
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Re: A funny old world
2017/05/19 14:26:40
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Slugbaby
Maybe it's because traditionally people have complained about the lack of realism. If something sounds too perfect, it doesn't often work.
Those thumps would add realism.
I don't use them either, but I could see them if you were trying for a "Tom Waits" type of production. A lot of his recordings haven't had great production, but there's something endearing in it.
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Re: A funny old world
2017/05/19 14:43:21
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The most common "oddity" to me is removing breath sounds. I grew up listening to vocalists on records taking breaths. To me, it's a subtle way of engaging the listener by periodically reminding them they're listening to someone who's expressive and communicating a part of themselves.
I guess in this age of Auto-tune, that matters less (or none at all).
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Re: A funny old world
2017/05/20 15:47:47
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Great thread Glyn! What do you do when you see "best sounding Farfisa library ever". If it sounds good it doesn't sound like a Farfisa does. If it's accurate, it sounds like crap.
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Re: A funny old world
2017/05/20 18:25:14
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I usually remove most of the key and pedal sounds in a busy mix, but I might retain a small amount for the solo piano stuff. However, one of my favorite tracks by Jon Hopkins uses the squeak of a pedal or bench as a percussion accompaniment. I suspect he's using a real recorded piano, though I'm not sure about that. [tube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8eQR5DMous[/tube] -Tom
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Glyn Barnes
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Re: A funny old world
2017/05/20 21:12:09
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BassDaddy
Great thread Glyn! What do you do when you see "best sounding Farfisa library ever". If it sounds good it doesn't sound like a Farfisa does. If it's accurate, it sounds like crap.
Good point well presented.
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Re: A funny old world
2017/05/21 03:58:09
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Right then, so this has become the beat up on iZotope thread ?
. . . removing vocal breath sounds, piano pedal thumps, extraneous noises in live recordings, sounds like what iZotope has been up to lately. Pristine pop music, maybe . . . but I remember the days of listening to orchestral vinyl recordings and some dude is coughing through the quiet sections and ruining the vibe, that's really where this kind of thing should be applied, restoring and repairing great historical performances . . . but the marketing department is possibly disconnected with that, and really needs to sell the new features.
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Re: A funny old world
2017/05/21 07:38:58
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I have to overdub gasps for air and lung wheezes to my to my SampleModelling brass tracks, to get that 'old fella that still going, Jazz sound. And the sound of putting a whisky glass on a table between verses.
Sampling just isnt quite there yet in my opinion.
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Re: A funny old world
2017/05/21 10:41:40
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Adding the noises that you would normally get when making
a recording, as was stated, adds to the realism, AND it tests
your Engineering abilities, as, if you actually DID do the tracking,
then those noises would actually be there and you WOULD have to remove
them...
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Re: A funny old world
2017/05/21 14:41:53
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I am glad that things like pedal noises are recorded as separate sample layers, because that lets me decide whether or not I want to hear them.
How many here have actually recorded a real piano? It's difficult! There will be volume and tonal variances across the keyboard, and you always end up with resonances and extraneous noises to mitigate. Not to mention the instrument is probably partially out of tune because you bumped it since its last tuning.
Give me a good sampled piano any day!
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Re: A funny old world
2017/05/21 17:12:11
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