jamesg1213
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 21760
- Joined: 2006/04/18 14:42:48
- Location: SW Scotland
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/03 06:25:33
(permalink)
Moshkito
jamesg1213
Looking forward to watching this at the weekend;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08tb97f
Howard Goodall analyses each song to show how The Beatles built them layer by layer. Heard a couple of excerpts this week, very interesting stuff.
I saw there was one for Kate Bush as well ... would have loved to see it, but we can't see it in america!
These things usually turn up on YT eventually. There's this KB one from 3 years ago;
Jyemz Thrombold's Patented Brisk Weather Pantaloonettes with Inclementometer
|
Rimshot
Max Output Level: -29 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4625
- Joined: 2010/12/09 12:51:08
- Location: California
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/03 09:55:12
(permalink)
I've been listening to it on Amazon Prime Music all day at home and in my car. It's great to hear the differences from the original.
Rimshot Sonar Platinum 64 (Lifer), Studio One V3.5, Notion 6, Steinberg UR44, Zoom R24, Purrrfect Audio Pro Studio DAW (Case: Silent Mid Tower, Power Supply: 600w quiet, Haswell CPU: i7 4790k @ 4.4GHz (8 threads), RAM: 16GB DDR3/1600 , OS drive: 1TB HD, Audio drive: 1TB HD), Windows 10 x64 Anniversary, Equator D5 monitors, Faderport, FP8, Akai MPK261
|
bitflipper
01100010 01101001 01110100 01100110 01101100 01101
- Total Posts : 26036
- Joined: 2006/09/17 11:23:23
- Location: Everett, WA USA
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/03 17:17:41
(permalink)
I've just found out how to rip to FLAC using WinAmp, so I've ordered the CD. I reckon that'll be close enough to a factory FLAC from the originals for my 60+ year old ears. $19.72 with shipping and sales tax.
 All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. My Stuff
|
scook
Forum Host
- Total Posts : 24146
- Joined: 2005/07/27 13:43:57
- Location: TX
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/03 18:49:23
(permalink)
|
Beepster
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 18001
- Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/03 20:28:24
(permalink)
bitflipper
Can anyone name a single album that got better after being remastered?
I'm kind of thinking the Motorhead "No Remorse" compilation. Not an album remaster of course but a bunch of good 'uns made to pop better. But that of course was Motorhead and the originals were... well... pretty chaotic. AND personally (and this is due to the time period of the release) I think they made it all a bit too crisp/tinny in the high end... but it's pretty clean and ballsy. For something like Peppers though which was well produced to begin with (for the time period) you're kind of starting at a higher bar than early MH recordings vs. the No Remorse remaster. Based on this thread though I do indeed think I'd like to hear this. Even though it's not my generation of course I've heard those tunes many many times and always felt the compositions weren't being fully represented. If someone has managed to draw out all the little subleties of the OG tracks... awesome. The comment about "I'm hearing instruments I forgot about" is especially encouraging. er... and... Hi? lulz
|
SteveStrummerUK
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 31112
- Joined: 2006/10/28 10:53:48
- Location: Worcester, England.
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/03 22:03:39
(permalink)
@Beeps, re Motörhead...
I still have their first five original vinyl studio albums (Motörhead; Overkill; Bomber; Ace Of Spades; Iron Fist) as well as the wonderful live vinyl No Sleep 'Til Hammersmith and they are all - without exception - far superior listening experiences to any of the CD versions I've got of those albums. The only digital release that comes close is the recent 'complete' 2CD version of 'Hammersmith'.
Compared to the original LPs, the CD versions seem too stereophonically 'narrow' and have no separation of the constituent parts.
True, the music itself doesn't really lend itself to an ideal hi-fi experience, but surely they could have made a bit of an effort with the digital transfers.
@Bitflipper, re 'better' remasters...
In general I agree with what you say Dave. However, the recent release of most of The Clash's material in the Sound System box-set does come close to an improvement - certainly over previous digital remasters and maybe over some of the original LPs. The first album is definitely a more enjoyable listen for sure, and certain songs from other albums seem to have been 'opened up' and really shine now.
The Clash's very own Mick Jones had a lot of input into the remastering for Sound System - this passage from Wikipedia is quite interesting:
Clash guitarist, Mick Jones, who oversaw the re-mastering said "The concept of the whole thing is best box set ever. Re-mastering's a really amazing thing. That was the musical point of it all, because there's so much there that you wouldn't have heard before. It was like discovering stuff, because the advances in mastering are so immense since the last time [the Clash catalogue] was remastered in the 90s."
All the music has been remastered from the original tapes, Jones said. "We had to bake the tapes beforehand – the oxide on them is where the music is, so if you don't put them in the oven and bake them, that all falls off, because they're so old."
Bassist Simonon highlighted a guitar line on "Safe European Home", from the band's second album Give 'Em Enough Rope, saying he'd never even heard it before. "It's probably some session musician, while I was asleep," Jones joked.
|
craigb
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 41704
- Joined: 2009/01/28 23:13:04
- Location: The Pacific Northwestshire
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/04 00:23:56
(permalink)
SteveStrummerUK
Bassist Simonon highlighted a guitar line on "Safe European Home", from the band's second album Give 'Em Enough Rope, saying he'd never even heard it before. "It's probably some session musician, while I was asleep," Jones joked.
Bass players! Typical. 
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
|
sharke
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 13933
- Joined: 2012/08/03 00:13:00
- Location: NYC
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/04 00:51:34
(permalink)
☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/06/04 00:54:03
It's probably worth mentioning that everything that was originally released on vinyl has been "remastered" for digital since. The first wave of CD releases sounded pretty bad. I remember us getting our first CD player sometime in the early 80's (a Marantz, built like a tank with a large heatsink on the back) and while everyone was marveling at how "clean" the CDs sounded, I always felt like something was missing, even as a 10 year old. We had a recording of Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons" and to me it sounded kind of flat and one dimensional. Early digital converters were primitive and sounded brittle in the high end. Mastering engineers who had cut their teeth mastering for vinyl were ill equipped to master for digital and didn't really understand the format.
I was quite into metal & thrash in the 80's and had a few albums on both LP and CD. I nearly always preferred the LP's because it seemed like a lot of the life and energy had been sucked out of the digital pressings.
I don't recall many remastered albums that I thought sounded better than the originals. Maybe the 50th anniversary remaster of Kind Of Blue, which sounds amazing. But they really did that properly. I hate how Spotify frequently has the remastered version of an album but not the original. Sometimes they have both, so you're able to compare them side by side. One that springs to mind is Remain In Light by Talking Heads, I've always loved the sound of that album. Comparing the original with the master is depressing. It's just louder, with more bass and to my ears less detail as a result. I mean why would you want to screw with the bass levels of a Talking Heads album? They were never a bassy band. The mentality is "well people like more bass these days." So what? Screw them!
JamesWindows 10, Sonar SPlat (64-bit), Intel i7-4930K, 32GB RAM, RME Babyface, AKAI MPK Mini, Roland A-800 Pro, Focusrite VRM Box, Komplete 10 Ultimate, 2012 American Telecaster!
|
Rimshot
Max Output Level: -29 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4625
- Joined: 2010/12/09 12:51:08
- Location: California
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/04 01:03:36
(permalink)
Speaking of Beatles, I've cleaning up my studio all day listening to Sgt Peppers, The While Album, and Revolver. I've got my speaker system dialed in with a balanced woofer now and it sound so good. I like the older albums as much as the remixed one. It's so great to hear all the tones and parts on a good system. The panning always amazes me. Their music was produced so creatively. I would not have left in all the timing errors, harmony pitches, and sometimes where the BG vocals even said wrong words at times. It's so cool that human side was left in. It's amazing how clean I can get my studio when I am listening to great music.
post edited by Rimshot - 2017/06/04 01:47:54
Rimshot Sonar Platinum 64 (Lifer), Studio One V3.5, Notion 6, Steinberg UR44, Zoom R24, Purrrfect Audio Pro Studio DAW (Case: Silent Mid Tower, Power Supply: 600w quiet, Haswell CPU: i7 4790k @ 4.4GHz (8 threads), RAM: 16GB DDR3/1600 , OS drive: 1TB HD, Audio drive: 1TB HD), Windows 10 x64 Anniversary, Equator D5 monitors, Faderport, FP8, Akai MPK261
|
Beepster
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 18001
- Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/04 01:14:28
(permalink)
@Straummy...
But do you have that No Remorse double CD set I'm talking about? It's pretty solid. I've heard many of the MH CD releases (and OG vinyl) and while they do have a certain pleasing warmth they don't smash through the same way.
Also keep in mind I grew up with cassettes and then CD's. Vinyl was not really part of my musical experience as much as it would be for others so I don't have that ingrained "vinyl just feels right" thingie in my brain.
I mean I like the sound of old school records but really, there is some sonic limitations. Especially for a super loud band like Motorhead.
|
SteveStrummerUK
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 31112
- Joined: 2006/10/28 10:53:48
- Location: Worcester, England.
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/04 01:49:59
(permalink)
Beepster
But do you have that No Remorse double CD set I'm talking about? It's pretty solid.
I do have an early version of No Remorse on CD Beep - a 1988 release and one of the first CDs I ever bought! Here's a quick scan of the disc and the insert showing the track-listing:   I don't have the recently released 'Deluxe' 2CD version though, is that the album you're talking about?
|
Beepster
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 18001
- Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/04 02:11:08
(permalink)
Ya, the one from 2005 (I think).
|
SteveStrummerUK
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 31112
- Joined: 2006/10/28 10:53:48
- Location: Worcester, England.
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/04 14:18:18
(permalink)
I guessed as much mate, my No Remorse is quite dreadful production-wise 
|
Kalle Rantaaho
Max Output Level: -5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7005
- Joined: 2006/01/09 13:07:59
- Location: Finland
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/04 15:29:15
(permalink)
I'm very interested in hearing second opinions to Moshkitos comments on the sound quality of the British vs. US version of Sgt.Pepper. Are there others here who have had the opportunity to compare them?
SONAR PE 8.5.3, Asus P5B, 2,4 Ghz Dual Core, 4 Gb RAM, GF 7300, EMU 1820, Bluetube Pre - Kontakt4, Ozone, Addictive Drums, PSP Mixpack2, Melda Creative Pack, Melodyne Plugin etc. The benefit of being a middle aged amateur is the low number of years of frustration ahead of you.
|
Beepster
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 18001
- Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/04 16:19:56
(permalink)
☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/06/04 19:48:47
SteveStrummerUK
I guessed as much mate, my No Remorse is quite dreadful production-wise
Here's the Wiki that breaks down the track list(s) and releases... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Remorse_(Mot%C3%B6rhead_album) So I've got the Sanctuary release which has the extra tracks (including the Wendy O stuff). I mean you may not like it if you are really into vinyl but to me it really brings out the power of the tunes. Good clarity as well compared to other releases. You can actually hear what Lemmy is doing which, due to his hi gain distortion sound, usually gets buried in the guits. The kick drums are POUNDING on it too so great in the car or on a nice hi fi.
|
bitflipper
01100010 01101001 01110100 01100110 01101100 01101
- Total Posts : 26036
- Joined: 2006/09/17 11:23:23
- Location: Everett, WA USA
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/04 16:31:43
(permalink)
scook
http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=0x20B8B
Thanks, Steve. I'd totally spaced out the fact that SONAR can rip a CD. Come to think of it, I've done it in the past with Adobe Audition, too. I guess the convenience of Windows Media Player won out, since it can rip the disk and sync up my portable player in one go. So I've just had it planted in the back of my brain that ripped files are lower quality than what's on the CD, when in fact it should be possible to pull them into SONAR and save them as FLAC files with negligible loss of quality.
All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. My Stuff
|
SteveStrummerUK
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 31112
- Joined: 2006/10/28 10:53:48
- Location: Worcester, England.
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/04 16:39:13
(permalink)
Beepster
SteveStrummerUK
I guessed as much mate, my No Remorse is quite dreadful production-wise
Here's the Wiki that breaks down the track list(s) and releases...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Remorse_(Mot%C3%B6rhead_album)
So I've got the Sanctuary release which has the extra tracks (including the Wendy O stuff).
I mean you may not like it if you are really into vinyl but to me it really brings out the power of the tunes. Good clarity as well compared to other releases. You can actually hear what Lemmy is doing which, due to his hi gain distortion sound, usually gets buried in the guits. The kick drums are POUNDING on it too so great in the car or on a nice hi fi.
You are on to something here Beep. My (remastered) Motörhead CD collection only contains 2 recent 'Deluxe' versions - No Sleep.. and Bomber. The others are much older 'first generation' versions - probably poor vinyl-digital copies rather than genuine remasters. As I say, the Hammersmith CD is excellent. I'll revisit Bomber now I'm aware of the differences and report back. I take your point about clarity though mate. Although the older CDs definitely seem to have more clarity than the vinyl, they also seem to have this at the expense of any low end. True, Lemmy played bass like a rhythm guitar and the Rick doesn't lend itself to a defined low-end, but on my vinyl LPs, you definitely get the 'feeling' of a bass guitar, albeit distorted and quite heavy on the treble. Time for me to invest in some newer CD versions I reckon
|
Beepster
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 18001
- Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/04 16:53:01
(permalink)
☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/06/04 19:48:52
@Steve... I found this on Amazon... https://www.amazon.com/No-Remorse-Deluxe-Motorhead/dp/B003ZDCMLO I think that may be the 2015 release though (the dates are confusing... one section says 2010 which I don't think saw a release and another says 2015 which would make more sense... and if that "Deluxe Edition" graphic is actually on the CD box/jacket it ain't the one I have). So, can't vouch for the sound quality on that but I'm thinking, simply based on current production trends, that they may have retained the power of the 2005 release but dealt with that older style "cold" crispiness in the high end. Didn't realize how many times it was put out. lol
|
SteveStrummerUK
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 31112
- Joined: 2006/10/28 10:53:48
- Location: Worcester, England.
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/04 17:04:43
(permalink)
Cool, thanks for the info Beeps.
|
drewfx1
Max Output Level: -9.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6585
- Joined: 2008/08/04 16:19:11
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/04 17:41:37
(permalink)
bitflipper
So I've just had it planted in the back of my brain that ripped files are lower quality than what's on the CD, when in fact it should be possible to pull them into SONAR and save them as FLAC files with negligible loss of quality.
FLAC=lossless What am I missing here?
 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
|
SteveStrummerUK
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 31112
- Joined: 2006/10/28 10:53:48
- Location: Worcester, England.
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/04 19:50:24
(permalink)
Why convert to FLAC anyway, why not just listen to the CD. I'm missing something here ain't I 
|
drewfx1
Max Output Level: -9.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6585
- Joined: 2008/08/04 16:19:11
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/04 19:59:54
(permalink)
SteveStrummerUK
Why convert to FLAC anyway, why not just listen to the CD.
I'm missing something here ain't I
Maybe he can download a FLAC directly into his brain?
In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
|
Moshkito
Max Output Level: -37.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3765
- Joined: 2015/01/26 13:29:07
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/06 16:09:46
(permalink)
jamesg1213
These things usually turn up on YT eventually. There's this KB one from 3 years ago;
Just watched it ... lovely and then some. Have been into her work since the very first single and it wasn't because of DG either, although the bands that he (supposedly) helped were nice to hear ... like Unicorn, Sutherland Brothers and Quiver and a couple of others. KB, however, had the ability to say ... I'm not doing rock'n'roll ... I'm doing my music and my songs ... and this is the difference! Of all the women artists, probably the best read and educated (if I can use that word) of the many women pop stars and singers. I'm not sure that anyone else has as clear a "vision" of their work as KB does. It's exceptional and continuously very well defined.
Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides!
|
bitflipper
01100010 01101001 01110100 01100110 01101100 01101
- Total Posts : 26036
- Joined: 2006/09/17 11:23:23
- Location: Everett, WA USA
- Status: offline
Re: The new Sgt Pepper mix
2017/06/07 14:30:53
(permalink)
☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/06/07 19:44:06
drewfx1
SteveStrummerUK
Why convert to FLAC anyway, why not just listen to the CD.
I'm missing something here ain't I
Maybe he can download a FLAC directly into his brain?
The one time I manage to cram a CD into my little pocket player I couldn't get it back out.
All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. My Stuff
|