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2017/05/29 19:59:33 (permalink)

VocAlign - Singing the Praises!

I know this is not the software/plugin forum but I wanted to post here to reach the largest audience to alert folks to what I think is a best bang-for-the-buck product I've purchased in a long, long time...VocAlign!
 
I bought to try to better align two acoustic guitar rhythm tracks that were not bad as is but could do with better alignment to get rid of some of the "smear."  After applying VocAlign the tracks are SO much more in sync.  Now the accents are hitting at the same time which really adds punch, clarity and articulation to the part.  It's like night and day...I'm in heaven.
 
Wow! I love this thing.  Best $119 I spent in a long time.
 
Kudos to Cake for bring this to the SONAR community!

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Re: VocAlign - Singing the Praises! 2017/05/29 21:46:17 (permalink)
Thanks for the review.  I think I will invest in this plug.

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Re: VocAlign - Singing the Praises! 2017/05/29 22:15:46 (permalink)
This is good to know. Thanks for the review. I've ignored it so far as it's £95 which I don't really have put aside right now. How useful is it in the big picture? So, it's not just good for vocals then? How much more useful is it than VocalSync?
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Re: VocAlign - Singing the Praises! 2017/05/29 23:03:43 (permalink)
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This is good to know. Thanks for the review. I've ignored it so far as it's £95 which I don't really have put aside right now. How useful is it in the big picture? So, it's not just good for vocals then? How much more useful is it than VocalSync?


I found that VocalSync introduces a lot of sonic artifacts.. Personally I try to avoid using it at all

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Re: VocAlign - Singing the Praises! 2017/05/30 00:03:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2017/07/08 11:08:46
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This is good to know. Thanks for the review. I've ignored it so far as it's £95 which I don't really have put aside right now. How useful is it in the big picture? So, it's not just good for vocals then? How much more useful is it than VocalSync?


I found that VocalSync introduces a lot of sonic artifacts.. Personally I try to avoid using it at all


like any software alignment program, you need to pick the correct algorithm.

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Re: VocAlign - Singing the Praises! 2017/05/30 02:22:12 (permalink)
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This is good to know. Thanks for the review. I've ignored it so far as it's £95 which I don't really have put aside right now. How useful is it in the big picture? So, it's not just good for vocals then? How much more useful is it than VocalSync?


I've only used it for this one application, so far. Based on the results I'm sure I'll be using it a lot more. I can think of 1/2 dozen other songs that will benefit from a little tightening up. Worked great on my acoustic guitar tracks. I can't speak to VocalSync because I never used it...no way for me to compare.

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Re: VocAlign - Singing the Praises! 2017/05/30 02:26:03 (permalink)
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This is good to know. Thanks for the review. I've ignored it so far as it's £95 which I don't really have put aside right now. How useful is it in the big picture? So, it's not just good for vocals then? How much more useful is it than VocalSync?


I found that VocalSync introduces a lot of sonic artifacts.. Personally I try to avoid using it at all


I never used VocalSync so I can't comment on it. The acoustic guitar tracks I processed with VocalAlign, however, have no artifacts whatsoever that I can hear. You definitely have to render the tracks after applying VocalAlign or you will most definitely hear artifacts.

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Re: VocAlign - Singing the Praises! 2017/05/30 06:24:17 (permalink)
Dammit, you pulled me over the edge!
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Re: VocAlign - Singing the Praises! 2017/05/30 12:58:07 (permalink)
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Dammit, you pulled me over the edge!



Hehehe...I think you'll be surprised at how easy and how well this plugin in works.
 
I did discover this morning that there are more advanced version of this software.  There is a comparison chart on their website comparing the different offerings.  I have the most inexpensive version and it's perfect for my needs.

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Re: VocAlign - Singing the Praises! 2017/05/30 16:00:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2017/07/08 11:10:38
I have VocALign Pro. It can handle longer files (up to 300 seconds), lets you place sync points for forcing sync, has the option to protect particular sections from being aligned, and other "pro" features. For example if you're doing dialog replacement for films done in a different language, the Pro version makes that process easier. It also has a mode that duplicates the standard version.
 
You can download trial versions of either one but IMHO, for at least 95% of SONAR users VocALign Project will do whatever they need, without having to spend the extra for the more advanced version.

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Re: VocAlign - Singing the Praises! 2017/05/30 17:04:08 (permalink)
I'm only going to use it for basic musical sync tasks. Mostly backing vox, maybe the odd doubled guitar part. Hopefully I'll be able to withstand the urge to upgrade.

It would be nice for faux doubling but if the syncing works well and is adjustable it seems easier to actually double and then line both takes up.

Edit: it also seems trivial to "lock" sections, simply by leaving them out of the selection...?
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Re: VocAlign - Singing the Praises! 2017/07/07 16:38:03 (permalink)
I purchased the cheap version of VocAlign and find it works very well for vocals but only if the vocal tracks are fairly identical to begin with and you don't try to do too many seconds worth of syncing at a time (maybe 3 to 4 seconds). If the "waves" are off by more than a few milliseconds it tends to lose control of where it supposed to sync things and can leave you with a mess. You may want to clone your tracks and save the originals and only subject your clones to the VocALign as it can mess things up quickly and its just easier and faster to delete the messed up tracks and re-clone and try it again with a shorter segment! And they said cloning couldn't happen in our time....
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Re: VocAlign - Singing the Praises! 2017/07/07 17:37:02 (permalink)
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 re-clone and try it again with a shorter segment!




I work the same way in Vocal synch and Melodyne as well.
Work on short segments/fix small parts one at a time.
I know some people put it on the whole track but that seems to be a bit overwhelming for me.
And I don't think pitch correction software was ever intended to work that way (a whole track)
unless your using the T Pain effect or some thing.

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Re: VocAlign - Singing the Praises! 2017/07/07 17:38:53 (permalink)
VocAlign is easier to use than Melodyne?
 
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Re: VocAlign - Singing the Praises! 2017/07/07 17:43:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2017/07/07 17:44:33
AFAIK, VocAlign only does timing and no pitch adjustments. For vocals I like the sound of double tracking so I sing/record the vocals twice on 2 tracks. Next I apply VocAlign, then I can do pitch adjustments in 2-track Melodyne. Works really well.
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Re: VocAlign - Singing the Praises! 2017/07/07 17:47:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2017/07/08 11:12:12
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AFAIK, VocAlign only does timing and no pitch adjustments. For vocals I like the sound of double tracking so I sing/record the vocals twice on 2 tracks. Next I apply VocAlign, then I can do pitch adjustments in 2-track Melodyne. Works really well.


We live in same worlds.
I also double most of my vocal tracks (unless im looking for a single vocal track effect/type song).
It thickens up the vocals Vs. processing them to get that doubling effect, only getting it naturally.
I typically even triple or quadruple background vocals because once you have a dual vocal line back ups will sound thin unless they are beefed up.

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Re: VocAlign - Singing the Praises! 2017/07/07 17:56:47 (permalink)
Yeah, singing twice usually sounds better than "fake doubling" but of course the singer has to be able to get it close the second time and have the stamina for maybe many retakes. In my case, I'm the lone singer so I can rest all I want, and do as many retakes as needed!
 
VocALign and Melodyne really make this a lot easier these days and I don't think any of this vocal tweaking was available to the average person even 5 years ago. Just sing it close enough and let the computers smooth things out.
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Re: VocAlign - Singing the Praises! 2017/07/07 19:44:41 (permalink)
The Waves Real ADT is pretty awesome. It has major uses.
I agree, It was only 10 years ago for me.. I was still using a 16 track reel to reel.
Recorded right the first time was the only option.
 
I still try and create that atmosphere in my studio. I hate needling things to death.
I love Melodyne for its uses but I only use it on segments that are totally in need to work.
I try not to rely on tools like Melodyne. I know a whole topic could fill up pages of debates.
But I find that "Magic is only captured in the moment, Not in editing". <- I should copyright that.

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Re: VocAlign - Singing the Praises! 2017/07/07 23:36:01 (permalink)
Thank you to the moderators for restoring my above comment.

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