Microphone issue

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2017/06/07 11:00:57 (permalink)

Microphone issue

Hi. I have an Audio Technica ATM 25 microphone that isn't working. When it is plugged into my interface and I hold the contacts it hums. The contacts in these images up near the white head.
 
The Wires seem to be ok. If I rub the contacts I can get it to crackle a little.
 
Other than looking for a broken contact, I don't know what to look for that might be broken.
 
Advice is welcome as this mic is a total loss at this point.
 
The wires go down to a solidified puddle of white goo at the bottom of the mic. The mic appears to have never been disassembled before now.
 

 

 

 

 


StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    brconflict
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    Re: Microphone issue 2017/06/07 14:58:50 (permalink)
    The dynamic mic is essentially the same thing as a Left or Right headphone. It has a similar thin diaphragm inside, and tiny wires to a connector. The rest is mechanical science.

    Here's what I'd do first:
    1. Use an Ohm meter to test both sides of the coil. That means one meter lead on each solder joint on each side of the mic capsule. You should see the meter show a relatively low reading (64-ohms or below, in most cases). You're not worried as much about exact measurements. If the meter shows no reading, or ".OL", then you have a bad coil, and the mic could be beyond repair. Check with AT to see if they can sell you a new capsule. 
     
    2. If the coil is good, check the connection between those same solder positions and the XLR pins. One should show about zero (0) ohms measurement, and one may show that reading in Step 1. You can sometimes use the continuity "beep" function if you can't watch the meter display. Only one XLR pin to one of the two main solder connections should give you a "good" or zero (0) Ohm reading or a beep. HOWEVER, if you do, check the ohms. It should not be exactly zero ohms, but maybe 10 Ohms or higher if the coil is good. Recall in step 1 that a good coil will read a certain Ohm measurement, but not exactly zero. That would be closely the same here.
     
    3. Ensure none of the three XLR pins are shorted together (as in you should not see 0 ohms between any two XLR pins). If you do, there's maybe a stray very tiny wire in the mic somewhere frayed and touching the mic casing. 

    DO NOT attempt to connect a 9v battery up to the mic to test it like a speaker, if you're familiar with that.
     
    For that mic, pretty much the only things that typically goes wrong is, the coil solder for the diaphragm fails, one of the wires breaks or corrodes/oxidizes beyond serviceability, or a tiny wire is frayed, touching the microphone casing. Trying to resolder is tricky if you don't use the right temperature soldering iron, as you can burn up the coil (if it isn't broken already). To access the white goo, which is normally never a place of failure in a dynamic mic, you can use a heat gun and careful digging with a small screwdriver.

    Brian
     
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    Re: Microphone issue 2017/06/07 15:29:20 (permalink)
    http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/site/9de91ac2563eaf16/index.html
     
     
    may still be cheaper to repair than replace

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    Re: Microphone issue 2017/06/07 16:14:00 (permalink)
    Br, you rock! Thank you so much for these great instructions. I'll test as you suggest tonight.

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Microphone issue 2017/06/07 23:20:48 (permalink)
    https://www.radioshack.com/products/radioshack-15-range-digital-multimeter
     
    I have this meter. I have a fresh battery in the Ohm Meter.
      
    I broke out my SM57 for the purpose of testing and by touching the nodes to two of the prongs that go into the mic cable on the SM57 I can get the meter to move. I was also able to open the mic and get the meter to move with the prong tips on the solder nodes.
     
    I am not able to get the meter to move on the ATM 25 either at the prongs or at the solder nodes near the capsule.

    I can get a connection between the left pin and the white solder point and the center pin and the black solder point.
     
    So, given the above, this means a bad coil.
    post edited by gswitz - 2017/06/08 01:13:40

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Microphone issue 2017/06/09 18:33:12 (permalink)
    gswitz
    https://www.radioshack.com/products/radioshack-15-range-digital-multimeter
     
    I have this meter. I have a fresh battery in the Ohm Meter.
      
    I broke out my SM57 for the purpose of testing and by touching the nodes to two of the prongs that go into the mic cable on the SM57 I can get the meter to move. I was also able to open the mic and get the meter to move with the prong tips on the solder nodes.
     
    I am not able to get the meter to move on the ATM 25 either at the prongs or at the solder nodes near the capsule.

    I can get a connection between the left pin and the white solder point and the center pin and the black solder point.
     
    So, given the above, this means a bad coil.

    It does sound that way, unfortunately. You might contact AT and see if they'll repair it for you.

    Brian
     
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    Re: Microphone issue 2017/06/09 23:59:32 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the help, guys!
     
    The mic is a friends and he says he bought it in the early 90s. He mainly used it for his kick and would immediately put it away after using it. He doesn't know of it being dropped or any activity that would have damaged it. One day, it just didn't work anymore.
     
    He's bummed that it isn't practical to fix, but he's already replaced it.
     
    Thanks so much for helping me troubleshoot the issue. I learned a lot!
     
    I'm curious about my aging mics. Do capsules just go bad after 30 years? What kinds of things might cause one to go bad?
    post edited by gswitz - 2017/06/10 11:37:38

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Microphone issue 2017/06/10 02:40:39 (permalink)
    Often it is not worth repairing either.  I have got an SM58 that has a distorting capsule.  They want around $120 for the replacement capsule but the whole mic we can get for around $150 here so not really worth the trouble.  A new one means a nice new fresh looking body, windshield etc.. New clip etc...

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    Re: Microphone issue 2017/06/12 14:37:03 (permalink)
    It's possible the mic was severely overloaded, or perhaps, even defective and just took years to surface.
     
    Old mics can keep going and going. Certainly, it's possible to break them, and they may become more susceptible to breaking after 30 years, but they can be really great on some sources. With that said, really old Telefunken U47's do need repair sometimes. But those are very expensive and worth repairing in most cases---well, pretty much all cases. 

    If you take great care of the mic, store it in a room temp, dry location, don't overload it with a too loud of a signal, use it on a decent pre-amp always, and don't let your drummer whack it too much with a drumstick, it could last you the rest of your life.

    Brian
     
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